• LunchMoneyThief@links.hackliberty.org
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      Yeah no, Windows 11 IS far worse than Windows 10

      Yeah no, Windows 10 IS far worse than Windows 8

      Yeah no, Windows 8 IS far worse than Windows 7

      Perpetual Windows $VERSION_THAT_I_GREW_UP_WITH isn’t bad. No, it’s just this new one that’s terrible.

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        No, they’ve alternated between good and bad ever since 98.

        98 - good

        ME - bad

        XP - good

        Vista - bad

        7 - good

        8 - bad

        10 - good (eventually)

        11 - bad

    • CosmicTurtle0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      I’ve been using Windows 11 for some time. Besides it’s terrible AI features being shoved down our throats, what’s different about it from Win10?

      I don’t see too much of a difference between the two versions. The AI enshittification is relatively recent.

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        I have to use it for software testing and I fucking hate the UI with everything crammed into the center of the taskbar. Beyond that it’s running in a virtual desktop and I don’t go beyond launching apps in it so I really can’t say. My work laptop is supposed to be upgraded next week, im sure ill find plenty to bitch about then.

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          you can change that. you can set the task bar to be similar to the previous versions.

          i have it with the windows button to the left, no search bar, no pinned apps no meteo.

          i prefer kde but it’s bearable.

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            The company I work for disabled the taskbar settings when they put out Win 10. I’m Assuming they will do it on Win11 too so I may not have that option but thanks for the info anyway I’ll certainly try it.

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        That’s pretty much the main thing, through they keep trying to slip shit it like the recall function, ads in new places. They also had some real trouble with the new internal CPU management, not sure where that is these days.

        Honestly I’m tired of Microsoft pulling this shit. Personally I can take a bad OS launch or needing a little more maintaince on my PC, but I don’t want to fight them anymore for control of my own hardware.

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        Windows 11 is little more than a reskin of windows 10, and they still fucked it up.

        Rounded corners are mandatory (Why? I really preferred squared ones). But developers can choose to have their windows square. Why only the developers? Let the user decide how a windows looks like!

        And don’t get me started on the start menu. It was a complete massacre. Tiles are gone (am I the only one that liked them?). Instead, now we pin apps to the start menu. Fine I guess, except for the fact that half of the fucking menu is taken up by fucking recomendations. If I remove every single recommendation, instead of having my space back for more pinned programs I get this message: “oh you like this precious white space? If you turned on some recommendations it would show something”. No, i don’t want recommendations, I want my start menu space back. Which btw in windows 10 used to be resizable to whatever size I wanted.

        Oh and lets not forget about the volume mixer. Which some genius decided that it was better to keep it 10 clicks away from the user in the settings, instead of conveniently at one click in the taskbar. Which they also made the sound settings their own special taskbar element, instead of another taskbar program. So now if I want to replace their shitty sound settings with the ones I like (trumpet btw), now I would have 2 sound settings in the taskbar, while in win10 I only had 1.

        And whose Idea was to join the sound settings and internet settings in the same taskbar button visually? Which is also not the same button functionally. You see, if you press the left side of the button it opens the sound settings, but the right side opens the internet settings. How much do Microsoft UI people get paid?

        I guess we got dark notepad, that’s nice.

      • zzz711@lemmy.ml
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        For me it’s the removal and change of UI elements. There is still no built in way to move the task bar to the top or side of the screen and to get a useful right click menu back I have to go into the registry and change a value. There is also the whole thing where you are forced to use a Microsoft account with no option to use a local account instead.

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    I do not Linux. Actually, I don’t even computer. I do everything on my phone. The Vista machine is something offline to store photos and some docs.

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    the middle 2 frames of the xkcd comic

    The embed on my client only gave me the middle 2 panels for context and honestly still funny

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    The crazy thing was Vista was great with good hardware. The huge problem it had was strong security. Everything was locked down and required admin elevation to change.

    You know how Linux requires su for every system change and everyone thinks that’s fine? That was Vista but it enraged techies to click an ok box for su.

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      Can confirm 100%.

      During Vista’s heyday, I worked in a PC repair shop. All the ones that came in because “Vista sucks” were all Walmart specials with the bare minimum 512 MB RAM and crappy, bottom-of-the-barrel Seagate HDDs.

      The thing would start thrashing as soon it booted with the default assortment of bloatware. By the time they brought it in, the HDD was in rough shape which made the thrashing even worse.

      Fix was always to upgrade the RAM and, most often, replace the dying Seagate drive with a good one. Removing the bloatware helped as well once the root problems were addressed.

      The UAC stuff was also annoying, but those could be tuned.

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      Iirc, tasks requiring elevated permissions wasn’t the main complaint, maybe just one of the most vocal ones.

      Even with good hardware, it was not optimized for performance in general. This was amplified by the fact they also marketed Vista as having a wide range of older hardware support, which resulted in many users upgrading from XP only to have their performance absolutely tank. I think there was even a lawsuit because of how they marketed some devices as, “Vista ready.”

      Regardless, Vista was still better than Windows 8.

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        I wasn’t very old then but the main thing was RAM. Fuckers in Microsoft sales/marketing made 1 GB the minimum requirement for OEMs to install Vista.

        So guess what? Every OEM installed Vista with 1 GB of RAM and a 5200 RPM hard drive (the “standard” config for XP which is what most of those SKUs were meant to target). That hard drive would inevitably spend its short life thrashing because if you opened IE it would immediately start swapping. Even worse with OEM bloat, but even a clean Vista install would swap real bad under light web browsing.

        It was utterly unusable. Like, everything would be unbearably slow and all you could do was (slowly) open task manager and say “yep, literally nothing running, all nonessential programs killed, only got two tabs open, still swapping like it’s the sex party of the century”.

        “Fixing” those hellspawns by adding a spare DDR2 stick is a big part of how I learned to fix computer hardware. All ya had to do was chuck 30 € of RAM in there and suddenly Vista went from actually unusable to buttery smooth.

        By the time the OEMs wised up to Microsoft’s bullshit, Seven was around the corner so everyone thought Seven “fixed” the performance issues. It didn’t, it’s just that 2 GB of RAM had become the bare minimum standard by then.

        EDIT: Just installed a Vista VM because I ain’t got nothing better to do at 2 am apparently. Not connected to the internet, didn’t install a thing, got all of 12 processes listed by task manager, and it already uses 500 MB of RAM. Aero didn’t even enable as I didn’t configure graphics acceleration.

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      The hover-over text says “Disclaimer: I have not actually tried the beta yet. I hear it’s quite pleasant and hardly Hitler-y at all.”

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      I’ve actually heard mostly positive nostalgia for Vista recently. I think it might have been a situation where they released earlier than they should have, and so only the later versions were worthy.

      But also, do you even Linux, bro?

      Edit: Other comments are saying it just had really high hardware requirements.