The administration claimed that blocking arms transfers would embolden Hamas — ignoring Israel’s genocidal slaughter.

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    Even after Israel treated Biden like shit for four years in response to unquestionable support…

    Israel backed trump instead and Biden still is fighting his own party on this instead of spending his last few weeks with any power trying to mitigate Trump’s incoming damage.

    At this point I honestly don’t understand how anyone can claim Biden was anything but a waste of four years that was so unproductive it let trump back into the White House.

    I don’t give two shits if these ultra conservative Dems are slightly better than a republican. I know I can hold my nose, been doing it for a long time.

    But not enough other people will.

    And yelling at them isn’t effective.

    So why don’t we stop trying to shove neoliberalism down Dem voters throats, and just run a candidate Dem voters already want to vote for over trump without needing a billion dollar campaign funded by everyone causing problems for the American people

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      I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly as long as you don’t sign off with “and that’s why I didn’t vote in 2024.”

      Millions of people did exactly that, and so now we get Trump again.

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        Its pointless to point fingers now but that seems to be why you post. I think you need validation that what you did was the “right” thing. Even if it meant abandoning all your principles, and the lower and middle class in the process. Well I’m here for you buddy. Let me be the robin to your batman:

        Yes! You are soo right redditrefugee69!! if it werent for literally every demographic of voter except college educated whites, Kamala would have won! damn them all! The minorities are the bane of our existence! And what happened to all those republicans who we worked so hard on? How dare they turn their backs on a Cheney! We had a cheney republican and a “liberal” dem up there, that should have covered all the bases!

        Do you know the worst of the minorities who turned their back on dems? it was Native Americans!! Lets talk about how evil and bad they are!!

        /s

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          Yeah, just glancing at the bottom of your comment pretty well cements reading it would be a waste of time.

          Thanks for nothing.

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        I agree with your sentiment wholeheartedly as long as you don’t sign off with “and that’s why I didn’t vote in 2024.”

        Well, I obviously didn’t say that so…

        I don’t see my point in your comment, and I won’t even add a nonsensical hypothetical that you didn’t say.

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          Sometimes people add a “however I still voted for Harris” at the end of their comment to establish they’re not one of the dummies that uses your logic to stay home and not vote.

          I was trying to feel out whether that was how you felt, and add an explicit negative judgement of that kind of thinking for anyone who felt that way.

          I think not doing so is how you get applause from people who handed the election to Trump, kinda like how being a free speech advocate often collects nazi approval unless you explicitly denounce them.

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            I’m going to start ending all of my posts with. “I’m not a flesh eating amoeba” because apparently we have to declare we aren’t ridiculous things now.

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              When there are literally millions of people who believe something, it’s not stupid to establish you agree with most but not all of what they believe.

              You can be a jackass about it if you want, though.

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            I was trying to feel out whether that was how you felt

            You were lying about their position because you can’t defend your own.

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                    If you sign off your comment with “All Palestinians must die. I’m glad Biden has provided material support to Netanyahu’s genocide and look forward to Trump finishing the only thing I have ever loved,” I have to assume that it’s a sincerely held belief of yours.

                    I couched my accusation in a hypothetical, so I get to pretend it’s not an accusation.

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      Iran, Russia, China and North Korea have formed an alliance. The US supports Israel as a means to an end: preventing Iran from growing in power in that region.

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        well if thats true, we’ve alienated our allies in that region so that plan was remarkably stupid. Or, it could just be that our representitives have been bribed and Israel doesnt care what US support for mass murder costs the US long term.

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          Or that the problem is Netanyahu and there is no easy way to end his genocide without letting Iran and thus Russia, China and North Korea get stronger.

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        Iran, Russia, China, and North Korea…

        Where have I heard this before?

        Yeah I’m pretty sure that’s not a new one.

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        Russia also supports the fascist apartheid regime and, if anything, the genocide emboldens everyone who’s already opposed to zionist colonialism.

        There’s no upside to the people of the US or the rest of the west, only the politicians being bribed and blackmailed by AIPAC and similar de facto foreign government agencies.

        TONS of downside, though, not least of which that what they’re doing is more morally repulsive and indefensible than even the atrocities that we rightfully despise the Putin regime for doing.