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      See, Ubuntu only requires pressing next 6 times, and Fedora is only 8.

      That’s essentially what it boils down to nowadays.

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        Unless you want tpm backed full disk encryption in which case… Good luck

        One click for Mac and windows, a lifetime of fun for Linux (except arch w/sysdboot which works pretty good)

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          I’m happy with regular password FDE, i think i’m more likely to encounter hardware failure (and then need to read the drive from another machine) than theft of the drive.

          It’s a good point though, I’m sure many people do need this feature. Ubuntu is “working on it” but so far i guess it’s mostly not working

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      There’s also a number of things you have to click “no” on, like a free trial office or Onedrive.

      It took me around an hour to set up my new Win 11 laptop, most of which was downloading and installing updates. I expected far worse.

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        Oh please, we spend an hour fucking around in a new Linux install to get things the way we like them too.

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          A new Linux installation is usually usable and you spend an hour tailoring it to your specific needs. While in a new Windows installation I spend the first hour remembering things that’ll start popping up/executing in the background and disabling them just to get it to a usable state.

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            Man, people are really liberal with the word “usable” around here. As if a plain windows install is somehow this thing that can’t be understood or used. Come on, it makes it hard to take these convos seriously. Millions of people use just plain, out of the box, Windows.

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            Just learn how to install windows the way you want it to be just like you learn the best way to install a distro. Debloated windows takes minutes to install and takes so little actual effort if you know what you’re doing.

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              I probably cannot get Windows to be the way I like it. They make every change I want to make a pain, and the ways to circumvent their shenanigans are always changing. Setting up a local account, changing your default browser, stopping onedrive from wasting your time, all of these should be quick and simple changes, but they just wouldn’t let you choose for yourself, they have to shove their products and settings down your throat with every new installation, update, and misclick. I spent more than an hour setting up a new installation and I still find new ways Edge can start itself, I cannot imagine the time it would take for me to make this as usable as a simple Linux installation with some changes to the DE.

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                All of these changes you list can be achieved in a couple of clicks.

                Don’t know what you are smoking my dude.

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                  At some point changing the default browser required setting each file type’s default app one by one. Using a local account once was a normal option then it became hidden and required setting up some questions then you had to disconnect from Wi-Fi and now it’s not a visible option and you have to get around it with some command. This may take you some clicks when you’ve already installed Windows before, but it’s heading towards simply not being an option, and setting up a usable Linux installation is already much easier today.

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                    This may take you some clicks when you’ve already installed Windows before

                    Those same clicks can be used by everyone

                    but it’s heading towards simply not being an option

                    Speculation, not based on facts.

                    and setting up a usable Linux installation is already much easier today.

                    Only if you know what you are doing. So exactly the same boat as you put Windows in.

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          No, see: some of us spend countless hours setting up their NixOS config repo, which is totally worth it because you save half an hour when moving to a new machine

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          I would argue it takes even longer to get a windows install how I like it. Even using Chris Titus Tech’s tool, it probably takes 2 hours for me to install things like winget, steam, librewolf, libreoffice, blender and configure the task bar and lock screen. Not to mention how last time I checked, I could not rebind the windows key to trigger the app overview how I like it.

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            That’s not windows tho, that’s setting up your entire fucking digital life to your satisfaction. The meme is about like, going to the task bar and telling Microsoft “no this isnt just a shitty gnome, please use my entire monitor”

            For everything else just use winget-ui and install everything you want

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            How often are you installing windows? I deploy probably 7-8 a week. I can have an image usable without telemetry in 10 minutes.

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              I seldom install windows, so I also have to relearn some things during the debloat. At 10 minutes, you are basically speedrunning the windows installation process lol.

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            How I want a windows install is “working, with no BS”.

            It comes out the box working, all I needed to do was disable Onedrive on boot. I haven’t even bothered to change the background, and probably won’t.

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          Getting Mint the way I like it takes about 20 minutes, including the install itself.

          Of course, I usually spend four or five hours trying other distros first, before eventually deciding on Mint.

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        And downloading updates is a good thing. Means that the fresh installation isn’t vulnerable to something that was fixed between when the USB / DVD was pressed and the time the person installed it.

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            Literally not a mod

            Do I think needing to do this is fucking stupid? Yes

            Do I still put up with Microsoft’s bullshit because Linux is actively worse (as a parallel Linux user)? also fucking yes

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        What is the very first thing you do after installing the super private and much sekure Linux? You download Steam and give Valve your data. This is bullshit.

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            Yes, that’s my point. You will eventually log into something when using the computer. So while it’s weird that MS made it mandatory to sign into Windows 11, who cares.

            They can also get your data without an account if they wanted.

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              On Linux, you can install Steam inside a sandbox for better security. Easy to do with either Flatpak or Bubblejail. This makes it so that Steam does not have full file system access.

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                Not something most people are gonna do. If you need privacy and security on the level where even Steam worries you, Windows can be made private too. It’s not even that hard. You just install a different ISO that allows local accounts and do all the necessary tweaks to harden it.

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                  Flatpak is installed on basically every Linux distribution. Literally all I do to install Steam is go to the Software Center and search “steam” and click install. It takes 2 clicks.

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                    Sure. And a regular user will visit Steam’s website and download a .deb. Which will work as most people use Debian/Ubuntu derivatives. The Steam flatpak is not even official.

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        I’ve been asking for several years for anything remotely resembling proof of this.

        Will you be the first person to actually provide it? (I swear to fucking god if you link me to the terms of use…)

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            They don’t? Very first thing I turn off is that shit show of a function.

            However, let’s imagine you’re someone who leaves that on even though it objectively sucks…the answer is cookies. Your spyware example is cookies.

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              It would be awesome if someone created an OS that didn’t exploit such a resource for financial gain…