You’re right, it’s more like a genocide. After all, they’re just bombing everything indiscriminately, starving people to death, blocking humanitarian aid and occupying illegally territories that don’t belong to them.
Not to mention that they basically shot to kill everyone they find, be it an UN worker, a child or an US citizen protesting.
But hey, god forbid we criticise what those bastards do, we wouldn’t like to be called antisemitic…
Fuck Netanyahu, fuck his government and fuck everyone supporting what they are doing in Gaza.
Criticism is fine. Fuck Bibi for sure and the war.
You can criticize Israel’s policies just fine without descending into antisemitism. Many pro Palestinians don’t understand or don’t care about the difference. That means their advocacy descends into just hate for everything Israeli.
If Israel really wanted to commit a genocide, bombed indiscriminately, or killed everyone on sight, there would be millions of dead today. Remember that armed militants from Gaza managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms.
About 40 000 Gazans were killed during this war, that’s now 11 months old. Israel has a far stronger military and managed to destroy a large fraction of the buildings in Gaza. The number of deaths is low compared to the overall destruction and the power disparity. This is a war in a dense urban environment against an incredibly deeply entrenched enemy.
The number of people who starved to death less than ten afaik, most of them had preexisting health conditions. There’s enough food getting in overall, but distribution inside Gaza is difficult.
That said. This war should end. A two state solution like the Olmert offer is a viable path to end the occupation of the West Bank and achieve freedom for Palestinians.
I’m pretty sure that if we’re not seeing more deaths it is because the international community would have trouble trying to justify it. But not because Netanyahu doesn’t want it.
They abuse Palestinians in their jails, they kill children, they attack refugee camps… All because “Hamas was hiding there”. I’m sorry but no. There’s a limit to what you can do. And Israel is surpassing it by far. They are not only killing, they are razing cities, they are basically making Gaza uninhabitable and they are blocking humanitarian aid (when they’re not directly destroying it), so yeah, they are trying to starve people.
In Gaza there are only temporary evacuations of civilians from dangerous areas. This is not only legal but required under international humanitarian law.
Gazans are not expelled from their land. Quite the opposite, they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip, besides a small fraction.
If you raze their towns making them effectively uninhabitable and then declare those zones “a war zone” while you also block any effort to reconstruct and allow people to occupy those territories, you’re expelling them from their land.
Then you shouldn’t mind of Israelites were forced to uproot and move to another part of Israel in order to respect the border as it was agreed back when the State was created, right? I mean, Israelites being forcibly moved inside Israel shouldn’t be a problem if it’s not a problem to do the same thing to Gazans…
In Gaza there is only temporary evacuations forced displacement of civilians from dangerous areas their homes. This is not only illegal but required under international humanitarian law as a war crime
There, fixed it for you.
Gazans are not constantly expelled from their land
True, but not a good thing. The Israeli apartheid regime is basically moving Gazans around inside an open air prison in between the murder and the theft and destruction of those things necessary for people to live.
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
A. Parties to an international armed conflict may not deport or forcibly transfer the civilian population of an occupied territory, in whole or in part, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand.
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand
Rule 24. Each party to the conflict must, to the extent feasible, remove civilian persons and objects under its control from the vicinity of military objectives.
B. Parties to a non-international armed conflict may not order the displacement of the civilian population, in whole or in part, for reasons related to the conflict, unless the security of the civilians involved or imperative military reasons so demand
Weird that you’d include this in DEFENSE of Israel since that’s what they’re constantly doing. Hell, sometimes they’ll even force civilians into a so-called “safe zone” and then bomb that area!
I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.
Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones. That is legal under international law. Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law is a war crime. Attacking these is not a war crime.
I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.
Is it opposite day already? Or just the Zionist Day of Projection, which is every day that ends in a y?
Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones
A zone is by definition not safe if it contains a military objective. That’s so obvious that it’s frankly embarrassing for both of us that I have to point it out to you.
That is legal under international law
Would be if it wasn’t horseshit. The IDF claims phantom militants everywhere they bomb. In the vast majority of cases, there’s no legitimate military target.
Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law
According to the IDF, an organization synonymous with concocting falsehoods to excuse deliberate targeting of civilians.
is a war crime
Even if they WEREN’T lying about there being Hamas bases there, bombing a hospital or a school or a refugee camp would STILL be a war crime.
Nobody’s forcing Israel to kill civilians. Israel is TARGETING civilians, with the “bases” made up afterwards and never proven to exist in the vast majority of cases.
Attacking these is not a war crime.
Yes, it most certainly is. Forgetting for a second that there’s hardly ever any hostiles there, bombing civilians is a war crime.
Imagine for a second that, unbeknownst to you, the guy who lives in the apartment below yours is a terrorist. Would that make it acceptable for your government to reduce the entire block to rubble, killing you and every other civilian in the process?
Please read the law and stop embarrassing yourself.
If Israel designates a protected/safe (there’s more detail to this) zone, then it’s a war crime of Hamas to move a military objective into it. The military objective inside a safe zone does not enjoy protection.
A hospital loses its protected status once it’s used for military purposes.
Rule 10. Civilian objects are protected against attack, unless and for such time as they are military objectives.
Rule 25. Medical personnel exclusively assigned to medical duties must be respected and protected in all circumstances. They lose their protection if they commit, outside their humanitarian function, acts harmful to the enemy.
Hiding military operations under the red or Red Crescent is a war crime.
Rule 59. The improper use of the distinctive emblems of the Geneva Conventions is prohibited.
Right, and obviously you think there’s no cost or trauma associated with it, so when Hamas does the same thing in Israel your reaction is “Houses can be rebuilt”, right?
The Nazis did far worse things than ethnic cleansing. There’s no ethnic cleansing going on in Gaza.
You’re right, it’s more like a genocide. After all, they’re just bombing everything indiscriminately, starving people to death, blocking humanitarian aid and occupying illegally territories that don’t belong to them.
Not to mention that they basically shot to kill everyone they find, be it an UN worker, a child or an US citizen protesting.
But hey, god forbid we criticise what those bastards do, we wouldn’t like to be called antisemitic…
Fuck Netanyahu, fuck his government and fuck everyone supporting what they are doing in Gaza.
Criticism is fine. Fuck Bibi for sure and the war.
You can criticize Israel’s policies just fine without descending into antisemitism. Many pro Palestinians don’t understand or don’t care about the difference. That means their advocacy descends into just hate for everything Israeli.
If Israel really wanted to commit a genocide, bombed indiscriminately, or killed everyone on sight, there would be millions of dead today. Remember that armed militants from Gaza managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms.
About 40 000 Gazans were killed during this war, that’s now 11 months old. Israel has a far stronger military and managed to destroy a large fraction of the buildings in Gaza. The number of deaths is low compared to the overall destruction and the power disparity. This is a war in a dense urban environment against an incredibly deeply entrenched enemy.
The number of people who starved to death less than ten afaik, most of them had preexisting health conditions. There’s enough food getting in overall, but distribution inside Gaza is difficult.
That said. This war should end. A two state solution like the Olmert offer is a viable path to end the occupation of the West Bank and achieve freedom for Palestinians.
I’m pretty sure that if we’re not seeing more deaths it is because the international community would have trouble trying to justify it. But not because Netanyahu doesn’t want it.
They abuse Palestinians in their jails, they kill children, they attack refugee camps… All because “Hamas was hiding there”. I’m sorry but no. There’s a limit to what you can do. And Israel is surpassing it by far. They are not only killing, they are razing cities, they are basically making Gaza uninhabitable and they are blocking humanitarian aid (when they’re not directly destroying it), so yeah, they are trying to starve people.
Eh… Yes?
In Gaza there are only temporary evacuations of civilians from dangerous areas. This is not only legal but required under international humanitarian law.
Gazans are not expelled from their land. Quite the opposite, they aren’t allowed to leave the Gaza strip, besides a small fraction.
If you raze their towns making them effectively uninhabitable and then declare those zones “a war zone” while you also block any effort to reconstruct and allow people to occupy those territories, you’re expelling them from their land.
Millions of Gazans were expelled from Gaza into Gaza apparently.
Then you shouldn’t mind of Israelites were forced to uproot and move to another part of Israel in order to respect the border as it was agreed back when the State was created, right? I mean, Israelites being forcibly moved inside Israel shouldn’t be a problem if it’s not a problem to do the same thing to Gazans…
So what you’re saying is that people can freely return to their homes in Gaza city?
There, fixed it for you.
In fact, almost all Palestinians in Gaza have been forcibly displaced
True, but not a good thing. The Israeli apartheid regime is basically moving Gazans around inside an open air prison in between the murder and the theft and destruction of those things necessary for people to live.
Instead of making up international humanitarian law in your head, you could read it.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule24
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule129
That’s NOT what Israel is doing. They’re constantly DIRECTING military force at civilians
Weird that you’d include this in DEFENSE of Israel since that’s what they’re constantly doing. Hell, sometimes they’ll even force civilians into a so-called “safe zone” and then bomb that area!
I’m including it because you seem to utterly unaware of international law.
Israel has attacked military objectives in safe zones. That is legal under international law. Hamas putting their weapons depots and operating bases in areas protected under international humanitarian law is a war crime. Attacking these is not a war crime.
Is it opposite day already? Or just the Zionist Day of Projection, which is every day that ends in a y?
A zone is by definition not safe if it contains a military objective. That’s so obvious that it’s frankly embarrassing for both of us that I have to point it out to you.
Would be if it wasn’t horseshit. The IDF claims phantom militants everywhere they bomb. In the vast majority of cases, there’s no legitimate military target.
According to the IDF, an organization synonymous with concocting falsehoods to excuse deliberate targeting of civilians.
Even if they WEREN’T lying about there being Hamas bases there, bombing a hospital or a school or a refugee camp would STILL be a war crime.
Nobody’s forcing Israel to kill civilians. Israel is TARGETING civilians, with the “bases” made up afterwards and never proven to exist in the vast majority of cases.
Yes, it most certainly is. Forgetting for a second that there’s hardly ever any hostiles there, bombing civilians is a war crime.
Imagine for a second that, unbeknownst to you, the guy who lives in the apartment below yours is a terrorist. Would that make it acceptable for your government to reduce the entire block to rubble, killing you and every other civilian in the process?
I say no, and so does international law.
Please read the law and stop embarrassing yourself.
If Israel designates a protected/safe (there’s more detail to this) zone, then it’s a war crime of Hamas to move a military objective into it. The military objective inside a safe zone does not enjoy protection.
A hospital loses its protected status once it’s used for military purposes.
https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule10
Hiding military operations under the red or Red Crescent is a war crime.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/longform/2024/4/18/satellite-images-reveal-israeli-destruction-of-hospitals-in-gaza
Where and what do they return to after those temporary evacuations?
Houses can be rebuilt.
Right, and nobody else will be motivated to attack Israelis after coming home to an obliterated home with their dead family inside.
I agree that this conflict won’t be over any time soon.
Right, and obviously you think there’s no cost or trauma associated with it, so when Hamas does the same thing in Israel your reaction is “Houses can be rebuilt”, right?