• ch00f@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    As someone who has personally mined 2.5g of gold from old electronics, I can confirm that while messy, there are no toxic byproducts.

    In my setup, the only waste was hydrogen gas, CO2, and NaCl.

    Of course I preprocessed my electronics to remove any solder or components, and you’re still left with the bare fiberglass circuit boards, so it may be different on an industrial scale.

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      4 months ago

      This is the first time I’m hearing of e waste mining, do you recommend doing it at a small scale? and if so, do you need any special material for the set up?

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        3 months ago

        It’s a lot of work. At the end of the day, I spent about $1k to get about $100 worth of gold, so it’s really not lucrative. I just wanted a fun story behind an engagement ring.

        I actually mined the gold from electronics and those gold plated Pokémon cards they sold at Burget King for Pokémon the Motion Picture, but that’s another process.

        Here’s how it goes:

        1. Clean up your electronics. You ideally want just circuit board contacts. Like the strip of contacts on a stick of ram. Cut/break those off and dispose of the rest.

        2. Soak in copper chloride. Use Hydrochloric acid (sold as concrete cleaner) and hydrogen peroxide. It’ll start eating at the copper on the circuit boards. 2HCl + H2O2 + 2Cu -> 2CuCl + 2H2O

        3. Keep dissolving. This part takes a while. It helps to use a stir bar and bubbler to keep the fluid moving. CuCl will eat more copper and produce CuCl2, but you can “recharge it” by adding more HCl and bubbling in oxygen (or use hydrogen peroxide, but that’s more expensive).

        4. Now you should have a bunch of flakes of gold that was plated onto the copper as well as the bare circuit boards floating around in a dark green solution of copper chloride. Pour through a coffee filter and wash with water to remove all the copper chloride.

        5. To recycle the copper chloride, mix with sulfuric acid (sold as battery acid). CuCl + H2SO4 -> HCl + CuSO4. Boil off and condense the HCl to re-use. You won’t be able to get “fuming” 30% stuff like you buy at the store because the azeotrope of HCl is 20%. Then you can plate out the copper from the copper sulfate and reuse the resulting sulfuric acid. Copper sulfate is a super pretty blue by the way.

        You do copper sulfate because plating copper out of CuCl2 will release HCl gas which is nasty.

        1. Now you have to extract the gold from all the random bits of circuit boards. Mix Nitric acid and more HCl to make “aqua regia.” Gold is slightly soluble in HNO4, but it’ll the get stolen by the HCl to make “chloroauric acid” which looks exactly like piss. Nitric acid is the only ingredient that’s hard to get. I found a seller on eBay, but there are also methods for manufacturing it at home from other compounds.
        1. Wash/filter the components like you did with the copper chloride to get all the chloroauric acid out. Then sprinkle some sodium metabisulfite in which will react with the nitric acid and produce sulfur dioxide gas which reacts with the chloroauric acid to make metallic gold, sulfuric acid, and Hydrochloric acid.

        Filter through another coffee filter and distill resulting solution to recover HCl and H2SO4.

        1. At this point the gold is an insanely fine powder. Like it’ll take hours just to settle to the bottom of the solution. I ended up having to filter it several times to get it all out.

        Dry the filter paper, ball it up, and toss it in a heated crucible (I used a blow torch) with some borax to act as a flux. Eventually the paper burns away and you’re left with a tiny bead of gold.

        So yeah, you can reuse the copper, Hydrochloric acid, and sulfuric acid, and the other byproducts are harmless salts and gases.

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      4 months ago

      I don’t suppose you would mind laying out your process? This sounds fascinating (and I have a lot of old motherboards)

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      4 months ago

      This is a huge win compared to gold mining.

      Gold mining is using cyanure and caustic soda (in the best case, the worst case is using boiling mercury)