• Iceblade@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    The fact that there is a “Yes” in the violence box (regardless of target) makes them violent extremists. Besides, from what I’ve seen, plenty of antifa folk will use violence and vandalism against people unrelated to the supposed target group.

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      5 months ago

      do you think WWII was won without violence mate? If nazis could be reasoned with there wouldn’t be a war in the first place. You can’t turn the other cheek to nazis, it’s just not an option, you either fight back or you die.

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        5 months ago

        That’s a terrible comparison. The same can be applied to any state with an aggressive foreign policy - or violent group intent on assailing a legitimate, elected government.

        Political violence instead tends to fuel and enlarge these sorts of radical, violent movements, ultimately worsening the situation even further. The antidote is de-legitimizing their entire strategy by enforcing non-violence on an institutional level, a peaceful transfer of power. This shows the general populace that the most dangerous thing in the room is in fact the violent extremist, who needs to be locked up the moment they break the social contract of non-violence.

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      5 months ago

      Makes them violent extremists

      Only if you believe that any violence is extreme. I would disagree, punching fascists is fairly centrist and enjoys broad support.

      what I’ve seen, plenty of antifa folk will use violence and vandalism against people unrelated to the supposed target group.

      That is besides the point. You can be against facists and also against Nestle at the same time.

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        5 months ago

        “Centrist” only if you use the sense of a median popular political position, which isn’t really what it means. Self-described centrists are actually conservative and tend to be weirdly* okay with Nazis.

        *weird if you don’t understand the link between capital, the state, conservatism and fascism

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        5 months ago

        I do, and where I live being the first to throw a punch towards anyone for almost any reason is generally frowned upon.

        The reason that violence is dangerous in this context is that it can allow a violent minority to oppress and subjugate a majority. By removing it from society in general and de-legitimizing its use the influence of these sorts of people can be effectively minimized.

    • Diva (she/her)@lemmy.ml
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      5 months ago

      Centrists are currently overseeing a genocide right before our eyes and telling us that the fascists would be worse so we just have to suck it up and vote for them.

      Centrists are violent extremists