• Tom_Hanx_Hail_Satan@lemmy.ca
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    What do you think Trump will do differently?

    If you’re a single issue voter and still voting for the worst of those two options you’re a baffoon.

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      Will not support this. Do better next time. No, there is no argument that can justify support for those who fund it.

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                  I’ll be voting in a way that most clearly sends the message to the Democrats why they lost my vote, which is voting Uncommitted for the presidential.

                  I am lucky enough to have a progressive running as a state rep to unseat a Republican so I’ll be turning out for their sake mainly.

                  • I’m sure the Democrats will consider your message carefully as Trump starts bombing those brown kids.

                    Parties cater to voters, not to non-voters. If the voters chose Trump, they will move towards his policies, including on Israel. You will achieve the opposite of what you want.

                    But I’m sure the Palestinians will appreciate the hollow gesture.

                    I can understand your principles, but the world, and specifically the US election system, doesn’t give a shit about them. Not voting always results in the party you dislike most gaining an advantage. That is the net result of your actions.

                    Hold your nose if you must, but Palestinians can’t afford a Republican president. Biden, for all his many faults, at least pushes for a peace.

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            I never said that. What I said was… grow up.

            I said nothing about brown kids. Or voting for a genocide supporter. And the fact that you not only feel the need to create such a shitty strawman, but that you actually believe that Biden supports genocide, illustrates how flawed your thinking is.

            But I’ll digress…

            Name ONE persons with the ability to defeat Trump in November and I’ll concede the argument.

            One person- that is currently running- that has a chance to win the White House. Provide a name. Otherwise, admit you are here to disrupt, and walk away.

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              Name one reason Democrats will ever stop supporting genocide when you keep electing their pro-genocide candidates.

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                Exactly as I thought and as predictable as ALL the others that can’t answer this simple question.

                You have nothing to say becasue you aren’t here to do anything other the to disrupt an election. If you had ANY belief in your ideology, you’d have provided an answer. But no- just nonsense.

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                  No. Your questions were an attempt to deflect from your failed attempt to condescend to someone for not supporting a pro-genocide candidate (i.e. the “grown up” thing to do). Literally in response to the fact that Biden is funding the starvation of 50,000 children. “Grow up”.

                  Your attempt to look worldly and rely on cynicism to appear politically saavy failed immediately and revealed your disgusting right-wing politics for what they truly are so you pivoted. I’m not interested in playing the stupid game.

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                    Name a candidate or admit you are here to disrupt. If you’re suggesting we not vote for Biden, we need to vote for someone to stop Trump, so who is it?

                    Answer or admit that it’s Trump you’re wanting to get elected, because that’s the only logical reason you’d be asking people not to vote-

                    Either suggest an alternative, or admin you’re here in bad faith.

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        So you instead choose even more of that with Donald. Or you are saying the Muslim bans and “finish the job” won’t lead to ramping up the attacks? The Christian nationalist heading Congress isn’t looking to start the apocalypse and rapture? Lindsey Graham isn’t saying Israel should nuke Gaza and that the US did nothing wrong in Hiroshima?

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          Maybe that will be enough to shock neoliberals awake as to the reality of what they’redealing with, maybe not, but it’s the only shot we’ve got. We can’t afford any more lesser evil, we’ve reached rock bottom with this genocide.

          We’re not just backsliding slowly, we’re at the bottom of the hill.

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            Shocking neoliberals awake will do fuckall when they are living under a dictatorship that a (I know you’re confused by this concept) Repub-appointed SCOTUS is considering granting a Long Knife to.

            There will be more genocide and more war. There will be nothing at all anyone can do since the “let’s get the National Guard in” and “deport these protesters to Gaza” guys will be in charge.

            We are literally in a comment section discussing the Repub candidate wanting to execute people over whatever slights. Please get a clue. No, it is not as bad as it could be.

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              They might finally actually admit it’s a dictatorship and start behaving accordingly.

              But yeah, they could cling to their denial. That’s already happening right now though. The shock still has a better chance than the slow boil though, slim a chance as it is neoliberals will ever wake up.

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                That’s so delusional. “Sure, it will become a full Christofascist theocracy, but people might become aware of that, so it is better.” You have childish hot takes on the matter.

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                  How is it childish? What’s more dangerous; a public that sliwly acclimates to fascism or one that is shocked into action at its immediacy?

                  All you have to offer is more slow decline. That’s the opposite of what I want. This conversation kind of demonstrates why the only hail-mary left is shocking you guys back to reality. It’s literally the only option you’ve left anti-fascists.

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                    You made your position clear that you want a fast decline and permanent Christofascist theocracy. Then what are you going to do? Let’s assume the neolibs are woken up. They are not going to be La Resistance, they are going to be Good Germans.

                    It’s galling that you’re talking about shocking other people back to reality. It will be harder to push left under the dictatorship, especially after they start executing leftists.

                    “You guys say every election is the end of days,” again, we are literally in the comments section discussing the Repub candidate who has been expressing his desire to do political executions.

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            Ah there it is, if it’s not “Both Sides”, “or voting doesn’t matter”, it’s “we need to burn it all down”.

            What a ridiculously stupid take. You’re absolutely privileged if you can even think that is a viable option.

            Fuck off with that bullshit.