I saw an article about them attacking Lebanon now. So, where will it stop? Have the Israeli government ever spoken about this?

    • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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      5 months ago

      Except it is not under full Palestinian control either. Some things are controlled by Palestinians, other things are indeed controlled by Israelis. When a country is exercising partial control over citizens that are not its own, something odd is happening.

      You can justify it if you like, but it is not the normal way of things where free people are concerned.

        • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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          5 months ago

          Extremely complicated, certainly. But I hope my point that the apartheid claim, very specifically, is pretty hard to argue with comes through. It does not refer to any Israeli citizens, that’s a separate topic. It is not strictly hamas propaganda, it’s just a criticism of one part of a very complicated and difficult situation. The line that it is propaganda is actually itself, propaganda.

          The only way to make it untrue was if Palestinians had full legal control over the West Bank, which they do not. Gaza is a murkier situation. It’s really about the West Bank though, not hamas or Gaza.

            • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              5 months ago

              The only issue with that is Israel’s wish to remain a Jewish state. If they added all of those Palestinians as free and equal citizens, then that would shift the demographics of Israel sufficiently to put that at risk. So, they have to choose between values of freedom and equality, vs being a Jewish state, vs giving up that land.

              Or they could attempt to remove all the people somehow.

              No easy solutions, unfortunately. As usual for the Middle East.

                • Carrolade@lemmy.worldEnglish
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                  5 months ago

                  I do agree that terrorism is a problem that needs to be dealt with. The problem is when innocents get caught up in the middle. If you just call a whole people or whole religion terrorist as an excuse to get rid of them, you’re just a generic conquerer, and a liar on top.