As non-american I agree you guys should definitely vote Harris, despite Dems being terrible Trump would absolutely be worse on each topic Dems are bad. That being said, rethoric of this post is straight up facist. Using threats of personal consequences for “wrongly” exercising ones right to vote is wild.
I’ve been seeing that term pop up a lot now lately but it’s pretty much universally been extreme left people crying that their views aren’t popular enough to be mainstream.
But I agree, the rhetoric in the op is not what we should want to be
It sounded like a treat with the very personal “we” and “you”. But calling it fascist is a bit too much. Fascism is a right wing mass movement for when capitalism goes down hill (usually blaming some minority for it), so it should support capitalism in it essence. I didn’t get any of that from this meme.
Fascism a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
While it definitely describes Republican party as a whole, I specifically mentioned rethoric as being fascist, as in, one fascists would use. In this case I made a reference to “subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race” part as well, to lesser degree, to “forcible suppression of opposition” as threats can be seen as such. For rethoric to be pro-something it doesn’t need to encapsulate all aspects of said thing, for example you can see pro-leftist rethoric mentioning workplace democracy and not including being against opression of miniorities. “Education should be free” is a leftist rethoric despite not mentioning trans genocide.
It definitely could be a right wing psy op, as someone mentioned. Dems are way too meek to go that far imo.
BTW, since he’s an elected official that makes him a fascist too.
citizens cannot be a fascist unless they’re in a position of political power, but they can be the little shit-heels the fascists employ. just like the Jewish Ghetto Police in WWII.
remember, movements can be fascist. electable officials can be fascist. but regular people are just shitheads.
fascist is based on the Italian word, “fascio”, which means ,“to bundle”.
ever bundled one thing?
second, it was made popular in the modern lexicon by Mussolini. it was used to describe a political movement.
The words fascism and fascist have long been associated with the Fascisti of Benito Mussolini and the fasces, the bundle of rods with an ax among them, which the Fascisti used as a symbol of the Italian people united and obedient to the single authority of the state.
however, its origin goes back even further.
From at least 1872 fascio was used in the names of labor and agrarian unions, and in October 1914 a political coalition was formed called the Fascio rivoluzionario d’ azione internazionalista (“revolutionary group for international action”), which advocated Italian participation in World War I on the side of the Allies. Members of this group were first called fascisti in January 1915.
that last sentence is important. members of that group could be called “fascist” because they were acting under the political coalition.
so tell me, what political coalition is OP acting under?
actually now that I’m thinking about it, it’s conceivable that someone acting under Trumps MAGA could be identified as fascist because of the “MAGA” coalition of people. it’s a political coalition, united people obedient to the “state”, hmmmm.
what’s the name of Harris’ equivalent to MAGA? I can’t remember, can you help me out here?
I literally said that the rethoric was fascist, not person. Fascism is an ideology as well as movement, and people regardless of political power they hold can follow a ideology, so even if I wasn’t referring to rethoric it would still be viable to call someone a fascist - not that it should be done on the basis of single shitty meme. If you believe that communism is the best political system there is, then you are a communist. If you give examples and advocate for this system, then you’re most likely using rethoric that is recognizeably communist, as in, it conveys the message favourable for communism. I’ve already outlined why the message coming from the post is fascist in my oryginal comment. Your claim that one requires a degree of political power in order to be identified by the ideology they believe in would be invalid in terms of USA politics even if it was true - since USA citizens have the right to vote for whomever they want (which the OP tried to restrain with the use of threats) they do hold actual political power and influence, regardless how small it is. I’ve already explained in more details how the rethoric itself was fascist in another comment, referring to the definition and all that. Also, dancing around the definition to whitewash the condemned action is really pointless unless you’re trying to intentionally muddy the water. Convincing people to vote for specific candidate with threats of them being ousted for not doing that is directly what both Mussolini and Hitler did. Mussolini used that tactic in parliamentary elections in 1924, and Sturmabteilung did that in 1932, keeping watch by the pooling stations and threatening voters. Those people absolutely were fascists by any modern definition, and used this rethoric to achieve the same result as one that was intended here. If that isn’t enough red flags for you to call this rethoric fascist, then I don’t think there is enough common ground between our positions to engage in reasonable discussion.
As non-american I agree you guys should definitely vote Harris, despite Dems being terrible Trump would absolutely be worse on each topic Dems are bad. That being said, rethoric of this post is straight up facist. Using threats of personal consequences for “wrongly” exercising ones right to vote is wild.
Yeah this is pretty sus, reeks of right wing psy ops shit.
It’s just blue maga
I’ve been seeing that term pop up a lot now lately but it’s pretty much universally been extreme left people crying that their views aren’t popular enough to be mainstream.
But I agree, the rhetoric in the op is not what we should want to be
It’s not a threat, dumbass. It’s a warning. There will be personal consequences, but they’ll be perpetrated by the MAGAs. And we will blame you guys.
It sounded like a treat with the very personal “we” and “you”. But calling it fascist is a bit too much. Fascism is a right wing mass movement for when capitalism goes down hill (usually blaming some minority for it), so it should support capitalism in it essence. I didn’t get any of that from this meme.
From wikipedia:
Fascism a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
While it definitely describes Republican party as a whole, I specifically mentioned rethoric as being fascist, as in, one fascists would use. In this case I made a reference to “subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race” part as well, to lesser degree, to “forcible suppression of opposition” as threats can be seen as such. For rethoric to be pro-something it doesn’t need to encapsulate all aspects of said thing, for example you can see pro-leftist rethoric mentioning workplace democracy and not including being against opression of miniorities. “Education should be free” is a leftist rethoric despite not mentioning trans genocide.
It definitely could be a right wing psy op, as someone mentioned. Dems are way too meek to go that far imo.
“Its not fascism unless its from the Faschisa region of Italy, otherwise it’s just sparkling authoritarianism”
I definitely don’t agree with that kind of view, just to clarify.
it’s not fascist. if it was an official comment from Harris , THEN it would be fascist.
like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-floats-imprisoning-political-opponents-rcna155543
this is a person whose intent is solely interested in pointing out that society is watching what all the fascist supporting shit-stains do.
just like this: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ohio-sheriff-suggests-residents-keep-list-harris-yard-sign-addresses-rcna171385
BTW, since he’s an elected official that makes him a fascist too.
citizens cannot be a fascist unless they’re in a position of political power, but they can be the little shit-heels the fascists employ. just like the Jewish Ghetto Police in WWII.
remember, movements can be fascist. electable officials can be fascist. but regular people are just shitheads.
Absolutely absurd.
I dare say, it looks like my comment was removed for being ungentlemanly.
I shall now rewrite it in a way as to preserve any readers with a fragile constitution or impaired sensibilities.
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pardon me, it seems you might have made a bit of a faux pas and may not have known the progeny of the word.
please, go forth and educate yourself and be merry!
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism#did-you-know
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Very braindead take in every sense
Did you just make that up on the spot and kind of just said fuck it I’ll roll with it as the absolute unequivocal truth why not
I’ll be quoting from the Merriam Webster dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism#did-you-know
fascist is based on the Italian word, “fascio”, which means ,“to bundle”.
ever bundled one thing?
second, it was made popular in the modern lexicon by Mussolini. it was used to describe a political movement.
however, its origin goes back even further.
that last sentence is important. members of that group could be called “fascist” because they were acting under the political coalition.
so tell me, what political coalition is OP acting under?
actually now that I’m thinking about it, it’s conceivable that someone acting under Trumps MAGA could be identified as fascist because of the “MAGA” coalition of people. it’s a political coalition, united people obedient to the “state”, hmmmm.
what’s the name of Harris’ equivalent to MAGA? I can’t remember, can you help me out here?
Exactly so absolutely in no way are those people all not fascists, which is what you said and people react to
I literally said that the rethoric was fascist, not person. Fascism is an ideology as well as movement, and people regardless of political power they hold can follow a ideology, so even if I wasn’t referring to rethoric it would still be viable to call someone a fascist - not that it should be done on the basis of single shitty meme. If you believe that communism is the best political system there is, then you are a communist. If you give examples and advocate for this system, then you’re most likely using rethoric that is recognizeably communist, as in, it conveys the message favourable for communism. I’ve already outlined why the message coming from the post is fascist in my oryginal comment. Your claim that one requires a degree of political power in order to be identified by the ideology they believe in would be invalid in terms of USA politics even if it was true - since USA citizens have the right to vote for whomever they want (which the OP tried to restrain with the use of threats) they do hold actual political power and influence, regardless how small it is. I’ve already explained in more details how the rethoric itself was fascist in another comment, referring to the definition and all that. Also, dancing around the definition to whitewash the condemned action is really pointless unless you’re trying to intentionally muddy the water. Convincing people to vote for specific candidate with threats of them being ousted for not doing that is directly what both Mussolini and Hitler did. Mussolini used that tactic in parliamentary elections in 1924, and Sturmabteilung did that in 1932, keeping watch by the pooling stations and threatening voters. Those people absolutely were fascists by any modern definition, and used this rethoric to achieve the same result as one that was intended here. If that isn’t enough red flags for you to call this rethoric fascist, then I don’t think there is enough common ground between our positions to engage in reasonable discussion.