It doesn’t add up because actual left wing folks would be able to draw very obvious conclusions about who would be the better president, but even in your criticism of Trump, all you can manage is “no better than the Democrats”.
Yes, you claim to argue from a leftist perspective, and I’m sure that you have plenty of reading to help you with that, but when your advice to other leftists is to hand the presidency to a lunatic right winger, I’ve got to doubt your motives. At the least, you’re an accelerationist who doesn’t care how badly the country burns if you think there’s a chance that years later your pipe dream that America turns communist could happen.
I don’t have to prove anything to you anyway.
I never asked you to, I just expressed my pretty reasonable doubts about your motives for spending so much time and effort convincing leftists to abstain from deciding the presidency.
Why don’t you prove to me that you don’t work for the NSA?
Firstly because I would have to doxx myself, and secondly because I don’t feel the need to convince you of that, mainly because I haven’t been toeing the NSA line on lemmy throughout the election period whilst claiming to be against everything they stand for, so I don’t believe there’s a case to answer.
I am a third party voter. I am critical of both the Democrats and Republicans from the left, because they are both right wing parties.
Of course I’m not going to make the case to someone that Democrats are a good choice, because I don’t believe they are. Basically you’re claiming that I’m operating in bad faith solely on the basis that I disagree with your position. It’s completely ridiculous.
If I were actually an accelerationist, I’d be spoiled for choice and perfectly happy with either candidate.
There are differences, but conditions will continue to decline regardless of who gets elected.
Biden managed to push Russia and China together while increasing military spending to an all time high. The old Sino-Soviet split was the greatest geopolitical blessing the US ever got, then the US defeated the USSR and installed a new government just how they liked, and yet, now the geopolitical situation is worse than ever. If I were an accelerationist, I’d be completely satisfied with Biden and happy to support his successor. Liberal idealists have absolutely no restraint or concern about what is and isn’t viable, as long as they believe they’re in the right they’ll stretch us too thin and hasten collapse.
On the other hand, Trump also played a role in pushing China and Russia together, plus he prolonged the war in Afghanistan, further draining blood and treasure (while Biden bears some responsibility for supporting it, I also give him credit for ending it, no matter how much liberals criticize him for it). He completely botched the handling of the pandemic while undermining public trust in institutions to cover his own ass for selling off emergency supplies for quick cash.
It’s legitimately a tough choice from an accelerationist perspective. Either would be fine. But I’m not an accelerationist. I want to actually address the conditions that created Trump in the first place, and to focus on addressing the myriad of domestic crises that are destabilizing the country. Only third party candidates are interested in doing that. The last three elections have been between Trump and the people who created the conditions for Trump. If we just get more of the same, then continued decline is inevitable.
Accelerationism is stupid, because it’s far more likely that the US is going to go haywire and start nuking everyone or starting major wars if shit starts to hit the fan. Both parties want to rile people up to hate other countries in order to justify military spending, which they profit greatly off of, and while they don’t actually want a hot war, there’s always a risk of someone who believes their own propaganda getting into a position they shouldn’t. The situation is a powder keg and will keep getting worse no matter who wins.
You: both sides are the same from a leftist point of view.
Me: obviously not.
Meanwhile trump:
I don’t think [immigrants] are the problem in terms of election day,” Trump told Bartiromo. “I think the bigger problem are the people from within, we have some very bad people, sick people, radical left lunatics.”
“And it should be easily handled by, if necessary, by National Guard, or if really necessary, by the military,” he said.
Trump announces that it’s a good idea to shoot down leftists and you’re still struggling to see any difference between him and Harris?!?!
Yes, but your overall message is still both sides, and you’ve given no indication that you might be prepared to vote democratic to avert the oncoming fascist takeover of America.
What effect do you think sending the military after people who disagree with Trump will have on the Overton window?
Of course I’m not going to vote democrat, that’s not the same as saying that both sides are the same. There are differences, but that’s not the question, the question is whether either of them is acceptable, to which my answer is no.
So we’re back to you agreeing with the the guy proposing that leftists be shot in the street if he becomes president that leftists should abstain from choosing the president.
It doesn’t add up because actual left wing folks would be able to draw very obvious conclusions about who would be the better president, but even in your criticism of Trump, all you can manage is “no better than the Democrats”.
Yes, you claim to argue from a leftist perspective, and I’m sure that you have plenty of reading to help you with that, but when your advice to other leftists is to hand the presidency to a lunatic right winger, I’ve got to doubt your motives. At the least, you’re an accelerationist who doesn’t care how badly the country burns if you think there’s a chance that years later your pipe dream that America turns communist could happen.
I never asked you to, I just expressed my pretty reasonable doubts about your motives for spending so much time and effort convincing leftists to abstain from deciding the presidency.
Firstly because I would have to doxx myself, and secondly because I don’t feel the need to convince you of that, mainly because I haven’t been toeing the NSA line on lemmy throughout the election period whilst claiming to be against everything they stand for, so I don’t believe there’s a case to answer.
I am a third party voter. I am critical of both the Democrats and Republicans from the left, because they are both right wing parties.
Of course I’m not going to make the case to someone that Democrats are a good choice, because I don’t believe they are. Basically you’re claiming that I’m operating in bad faith solely on the basis that I disagree with your position. It’s completely ridiculous.
If I were actually an accelerationist, I’d be spoiled for choice and perfectly happy with either candidate.
Good old both sides.
There are differences, but conditions will continue to decline regardless of who gets elected.
Biden managed to push Russia and China together while increasing military spending to an all time high. The old Sino-Soviet split was the greatest geopolitical blessing the US ever got, then the US defeated the USSR and installed a new government just how they liked, and yet, now the geopolitical situation is worse than ever. If I were an accelerationist, I’d be completely satisfied with Biden and happy to support his successor. Liberal idealists have absolutely no restraint or concern about what is and isn’t viable, as long as they believe they’re in the right they’ll stretch us too thin and hasten collapse.
On the other hand, Trump also played a role in pushing China and Russia together, plus he prolonged the war in Afghanistan, further draining blood and treasure (while Biden bears some responsibility for supporting it, I also give him credit for ending it, no matter how much liberals criticize him for it). He completely botched the handling of the pandemic while undermining public trust in institutions to cover his own ass for selling off emergency supplies for quick cash.
It’s legitimately a tough choice from an accelerationist perspective. Either would be fine. But I’m not an accelerationist. I want to actually address the conditions that created Trump in the first place, and to focus on addressing the myriad of domestic crises that are destabilizing the country. Only third party candidates are interested in doing that. The last three elections have been between Trump and the people who created the conditions for Trump. If we just get more of the same, then continued decline is inevitable.
Accelerationism is stupid, because it’s far more likely that the US is going to go haywire and start nuking everyone or starting major wars if shit starts to hit the fan. Both parties want to rile people up to hate other countries in order to justify military spending, which they profit greatly off of, and while they don’t actually want a hot war, there’s always a risk of someone who believes their own propaganda getting into a position they shouldn’t. The situation is a powder keg and will keep getting worse no matter who wins.
You: both sides are the same from a leftist point of view.
Me: obviously not.
Meanwhile trump:
Trump announces that it’s a good idea to shoot down leftists and you’re still struggling to see any difference between him and Harris?!?!
Did you read the first three words of my comment?
Yes, but your overall message is still both sides, and you’ve given no indication that you might be prepared to vote democratic to avert the oncoming fascist takeover of America.
What effect do you think sending the military after people who disagree with Trump will have on the Overton window?
Of course I’m not going to vote democrat, that’s not the same as saying that both sides are the same. There are differences, but that’s not the question, the question is whether either of them is acceptable, to which my answer is no.
So we’re back to you agreeing with the the guy proposing that leftists be shot in the street if he becomes president that leftists should abstain from choosing the president.
I can’t even