Do you really believe fucking Trump as president will be better for Palestine? At least Biden (unsuccessfully) tried to get a cease fire going. Trump would probably nuke Palestine himself.
I’m sorry I missed the part where Joe Biden who sent 24 Billion in weapons, actively supports israel with military intelligence, defends them against retaliation, supplies them with weapons by bypassing congress and using secret loopholes, is not complicit.
Can you tell me more about Donald Trump though. I never knew that Biden’s Fascism was excused by the existence of Trump.
You guys really care a lot about Palestine you’re all such experts on how Joe Biden is preventing the Genocide from happening there.
And you all care so fucking much about Palestine now that it’s a convenient cudgel to beat someone with. You don’t care now and you didn’t care then you just want to score your little debate points from mommies basement.
Fucking waste of space if you care so much go do something about it because no U.S. president is going to do anything.
All that’s needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.
Raising awareness for people that are in denial and sticking their head in the sand is what’s needed for Palestine.
Or do you think Palestinians are going to be really happy with Biden getting another term without having made any concessions and fully backed israel through the entire Genocide?
Abusing presidential powers to be complicit in Genocide by sending weapons using loopholes in the same way Trump did when we all called him a Fascist for it.
Surprising dissent on Genocide with violent policing.
Calling anyone that doesn’t agree with Genocide anti-semitic.
Censuring politicians that call Genocide Genocide.
Banning anti -Genocide speeches such as “from the river to the sea”
You all want to dance around Gaza so badly. But sadly you can’t “ignore that time Biden did Fascism, what other times did he do it?”
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
So breaking it down:
“that exalts nation and often race above the individual” - Trump, not Biden.
“centralized autocratic government” - Trump, not Biden (or any Democrat, really, “centralized” isn’t their thing).
“severe economic and social regimentation” - I could see this one being argued “both sides”. The difference being Democrats want to use the regimentation to protect people and Republicans want to use it to oppress people.
“forcible suppression of opposition” - Definitely Trump, not Biden.
Biden: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians
Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
Biden: I’m giving billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and am blocking other countries from helping
Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
Trump wants Palestine eradicated and Israel to expand. He repealed the law against Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.
“What I said very plainly is get it over with, and let’s get back to peace and stop killing people. And that’s a very simple statement. Get it over with. They’ve got to finish what they finish. They have to get it done. Get it over with, and get it over with fast, because we have to, you have to get back to normalcy and peace,” Trump told The Hugh Hewitt Show.
Trump noted, “They’ve got to finish what they started, and they’ve got to finish it fast, and we have to get on with life.”
Trump continued arguing Israel had an issue with its public messaging and said, “Israel is absolutely losing the PR war.”
“And the other thing is I hate, they put out tapes all the time. Every night, they’re releasing tapes of a building falling down. They shouldn’t be releasing tapes like that. They’re doing, that’s why they’re losing the PR war. They, Israel is absolutely losing the PR war,” Trump said.
So many people keep arguing past each other on this because there are 2 truths and each side sees their 1 truth as the end-all.
Genocide is bad. Biden isn’t doing enough to stop Israel. But, Trump would accelerate it. And also do more genocide here too.
We have a FPTP voting system meaning the first candidate across the line wins, so you either vote for A or B. If you abstain from voting or vote 3rd party it does not make any difference whatsoever to the outcome because it is still who crosses the line first. So you have to decide which of the 2 you want, or which of the 2 you DON’T want. And vote accordingly.
Everyone declaring “Genocide Joe” and voting 3rd party is missing the point that doing that could let Trump win. And that would be FAR worse.
And everyone declaring “Blue no matter who” and demonizing the people that want the genocide to end are missing the point that our system is fucked and does not represent us and both candidates are bad. Both candidates are right wing and our country WANTS someone on the left that represents the people, but we simply don’t have that.
Let’s assume what you’re saying is true. Why has Biden’s administration ignored his own voters on the genocide taking place in Palestine? Why has his administration vetoed the UN council now 12 times since 2020 now relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Why did Biden’s administration pressure Robert Kur to revise his report in his classified documents investigation saying that Biden’s poor memory wasn’t supported by facts? Why did his administration push through with him as a candidate and not work to find a different candidate before now?
Instead I got Photoshopped images of Biden in sunglasses and a bunch of fake PR making it seem like Biden was as nimble as ever. You know what happened? I ended up becoming part of the Biden cult. After seeing his debate, what his administration is planning to do in 2024 is elder abuse. Biden needs to step aside immediately. I can’t believe people discussing anything else right now. You say democracy is on the line but his administration has made one terrible mistake after another. I’m sick of it. They want democracy then he can step down and put his support behind someone else. Otherwise I’m done with it. If his administration doesn’t act like democracy is on the line, then why should I?
If you do not vote, or vote for anyone other than whatever Democrat is on the ticket, Palestinian will be fully wiped out or forced to live in an open air prison the size of a postage stamp, Ukraine will be steam rolled over, Americans who are not straight, white and faux-Christian will be third tier citizens, and American democracy will be dead, forever. Go sell your bullshit to someone else. I have seen too much shit to fall for such a weak and obvious maneuver.
Yeah okay. Well 2016 happened where DNC did something similar which is why you ever got Trump. Now they’ve been up to the same tactics and you’ll get him again if Biden doesn’t step down. Go ahead and give yourself a big pat on the back and say… “I’m doing it. I’m helping Trump get reelected”
He should have made it clear that he would not seek a second term. Instead he pulled a RBG (she refused to retire when Obama asked her). We are now basically four months from election day and that ship has sailed. All we can do is vote D no matter what. Don’t confuse me doing what must be done with pride and “patting myself on the back”. His ego fucked us and now we have to deal with the mess…again. Thankfully, with the exception of their support for Israel’s genocidal campaign, his administration has been quite competent.
Don’t vote for the man, vote for the administration. The Trump administration will be evil incarnate and absolutely the end American democracy.
Right, the options in this election are:
Do you think Trump 1 and Biden 2? Or did we forget about the Genocide thing again?
Just keep ignoring that elephant in the room. It’s not Fascism if you don’t believe Palestinians are human!
Do you really believe fucking Trump as president will be better for Palestine? At least Biden (unsuccessfully) tried to get a cease fire going. Trump would probably nuke Palestine himself.
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I’m sorry I missed the part where Joe Biden who sent 24 Billion in weapons, actively supports israel with military intelligence, defends them against retaliation, supplies them with weapons by bypassing congress and using secret loopholes, is not complicit.
Can you tell me more about Donald Trump though. I never knew that Biden’s Fascism was excused by the existence of Trump.
You guys really care a lot about Palestine you’re all such experts on how Joe Biden is preventing the Genocide from happening there.
And you all care so fucking much about Palestine now that it’s a convenient cudgel to beat someone with. You don’t care now and you didn’t care then you just want to score your little debate points from mommies basement.
Fucking waste of space if you care so much go do something about it because no U.S. president is going to do anything.
All that’s needed is people not denying Biden is doing Fascism already. Just be honest.
Raising awareness for people that are in denial and sticking their head in the sand is what’s needed for Palestine.
Or do you think Palestinians are going to be really happy with Biden getting another term without having made any concessions and fully backed israel through the entire Genocide?
Ok. Joe Biden’s policy on Palestine is disgraceful.
What now?
Did we fix it?
Trumps policy on Palestine is disgraceful too.
Did we fix Trump?
Just be honest that’s all.
I’m not sure he is.
Please define Fascism in the context that you believe Biden is doing. Be specific, I won’t engage with vaguery or hyperbole.
Abusing presidential powers to be complicit in Genocide by sending weapons using loopholes in the same way Trump did when we all called him a Fascist for it.
Surprising dissent on Genocide with violent policing.
Calling anyone that doesn’t agree with Genocide anti-semitic.
Censuring politicians that call Genocide Genocide.
Banning anti -Genocide speeches such as “from the river to the sea”
You all want to dance around Gaza so badly. But sadly you can’t “ignore that time Biden did Fascism, what other times did he do it?”
Fascism is not defined by selling arms to a country that committed a genocide. Trump did that too, but that’s not the definition.
Fascism is defined by whatever arbitrary definition you can apply so only Donald Trump fits in it and Joe Biden doesn’t.
Fascism actually has a precise definition:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/fascism
“a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition”
So breaking it down:
“that exalts nation and often race above the individual” - Trump, not Biden.
“centralized autocratic government” - Trump, not Biden (or any Democrat, really, “centralized” isn’t their thing).
“dictatorial leader” - Literally Trump. https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
“severe economic and social regimentation” - I could see this one being argued “both sides”. The difference being Democrats want to use the regimentation to protect people and Republicans want to use it to oppress people.
“forcible suppression of opposition” - Definitely Trump, not Biden.
This is true if we just ignore every time Biden does these things.
The Biden administration once again bypasses Congress on an emergency weapons sale to Israel
Biden intervenes in railroad contract to block strike
Biden stressed that the rule of law “must be upheld” hours after police violently dispersed peaceful protests at universities in Los Angeles and New York, arresting hundreds of students.
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I unironically love a mod that’s active and on top of things. You’re doing the lord’s work, @jordanlund@lemmy.world
Seriously, I’m not even mad.
Other folks are just as active, I’m just more public about it for transparency reasons.
Biden: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians
Trump: I’m going to give billions of dollars to Israel to kill Palestinians and I’m going to egg them on while doing that and block other countries from helping
FTFY.
Trump wants Palestine eradicated and Israel to expand. He repealed the law against Israeli settlements on Palestinian territory.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/04/politics/trump-israel-comments/index.html
So many people keep arguing past each other on this because there are 2 truths and each side sees their 1 truth as the end-all.
Everyone declaring “Genocide Joe” and voting 3rd party is missing the point that doing that could let Trump win. And that would be FAR worse.
And everyone declaring “Blue no matter who” and demonizing the people that want the genocide to end are missing the point that our system is fucked and does not represent us and both candidates are bad. Both candidates are right wing and our country WANTS someone on the left that represents the people, but we simply don’t have that.
If you’re in a solidly blue or red state that math is a bit different.
Your perception of the electorate is quite different from mine.
If the election were between trump and another sack of shit, I would vote for the non-human looking sack of shit.
Biden may not be perfect, but he’s way better than a facist sack of shit.
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Let’s assume what you’re saying is true. Why has Biden’s administration ignored his own voters on the genocide taking place in Palestine? Why has his administration vetoed the UN council now 12 times since 2020 now relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict? Why did Biden’s administration pressure Robert Kur to revise his report in his classified documents investigation saying that Biden’s poor memory wasn’t supported by facts? Why did his administration push through with him as a candidate and not work to find a different candidate before now?
Instead I got Photoshopped images of Biden in sunglasses and a bunch of fake PR making it seem like Biden was as nimble as ever. You know what happened? I ended up becoming part of the Biden cult. After seeing his debate, what his administration is planning to do in 2024 is elder abuse. Biden needs to step aside immediately. I can’t believe people discussing anything else right now. You say democracy is on the line but his administration has made one terrible mistake after another. I’m sick of it. They want democracy then he can step down and put his support behind someone else. Otherwise I’m done with it. If his administration doesn’t act like democracy is on the line, then why should I?
If you do not vote, or vote for anyone other than whatever Democrat is on the ticket, Palestinian will be fully wiped out or forced to live in an open air prison the size of a postage stamp, Ukraine will be steam rolled over, Americans who are not straight, white and faux-Christian will be third tier citizens, and American democracy will be dead, forever. Go sell your bullshit to someone else. I have seen too much shit to fall for such a weak and obvious maneuver.
Yeah okay. Well 2016 happened where DNC did something similar which is why you ever got Trump. Now they’ve been up to the same tactics and you’ll get him again if Biden doesn’t step down. Go ahead and give yourself a big pat on the back and say… “I’m doing it. I’m helping Trump get reelected”
He should have made it clear that he would not seek a second term. Instead he pulled a RBG (she refused to retire when Obama asked her). We are now basically four months from election day and that ship has sailed. All we can do is vote D no matter what. Don’t confuse me doing what must be done with pride and “patting myself on the back”. His ego fucked us and now we have to deal with the mess…again. Thankfully, with the exception of their support for Israel’s genocidal campaign, his administration has been quite competent.