And fuck DST! It makes the problem even worse 😩

And it will “surely” be assisisting a genocide should Trump be elected. He never hid it or denied it.

Even if that was true, how is that better than having fascism today, given than genocide will happen no matter what? You seem to imply people will have more willingness to resist if it happens tomorrow (and I doubt it). But are you really willing to take the chance on actual fascism? It really seems like you want it to happen…

You guys have a twisted sense of priorities. You’re willing to trade a maybe for a surely.

It really seems like my options are Fascist Now Party or Fascist Later Party. If the Democrats don’t listen when I vote and don’t listen when I abstain, why should I vote?

The answer is in your question. Fascism later is the better option because it buys you time to do something else. Fascism now means the game is over today. Nothing about that is difficult to understand.

You’ll have ample time (and freedom) to oppose Harris after November, but now’s not the time.

You tankies like to say that librulz are paving the way for fascism in the long-term and it might be true. But what you’re doing is giving the keys to an actual fascist outright. Your actions speak louder than your pathetic words. I’ll take a maybe-later anyday over hell today.

I’d say tankies are doing much more in favor of fascism than the liberals they shit on all day. Curious.

I just shat bricks realizing this.

I know how it works, thank you 😚

I like how you’re making excuses for something that it is very clear in context. I thought AI was great at picking up context?

Beware folks, Ai WiLl TaKE yEr JoOOoObS

I’m not saying the north american lifestyle is sustainable. Just that planet Earth can sustain 7 billion people if things are managed a bit more efficiently.

I’m well aware that our lifestyles are causing suffering on the other side of the planet. And I solemnly condemn spoiled westerners that have the gall of telling the people they cause suffering to to stop having kids (because those faraway regions is where population levels grow the fastest).

Malthusianism, like eugenics, is half-baked. It’s surface-level ideology that offers no real answer and is more of a feeling than anything with nothing concrete to show for it. Push it to its logical conclusions, and you get to nazi-style forced sterilization and similar policies. And you still didn’t address climate change.

The universe is very much certain with or without humans.

And yet, people did not stop having babies, which is what the person that started this thread asked people for.

I’m not advocating for eternal growth. But the malthusians claim the population should be smaller without telling you how smaller or how to reach the objective. It’s candid ideology that’s not very different from eugenics if brought to its logical conclusion. They tell you some will suffer, but they don’t tell you who and how. The answer is of course: some poor schmuck that’s not them.

And they fail to realize that, even after the population’s been reduced, we’d still suffer from the same issues we’re facing now because population reduction didn’t address the real issue, which is capitalism.

It’s a reasonable explanation. But China is still one of the most populated contries on Earth.

People are not not having kids because of contraceptives, but because they can’t afford them anymore. It is a luxury older people have enjoyed, but that just isn’t realistically achievable anymore.

Give them a more certain future, they will start having more babies again.

That’s precisely what I accuse malthusianist solutions of 👌

Good luck telling people not to have kids. China’s tried that already.

This is what we hate boomers for. Short-termism. How about we start being angry at the right culprits? Your peers in the West aren’t having kids anymore already.

People can do all that, but you will still have population growth and climate change, which you want to fix. That, and an aging population. How about we stop for advocating for known non-solutions and fix the actual problem already?

And it doesn’t work, either. When they tell you we need half the population, they don’t tell you how to reach that objective, when the objective is considered to be achieved.

They might recognize that some people will have to suffer, but they don’t tell you who will suffer and how.

Malthusianism is yet another unclear ideology that offers vague promises but assured hardships from dilettantes that are spared enough to not feel the full weight of capitalism.

Nothing that stands rigorous scrutiny.