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  • That’s what he is saying in a bad way. The people in the comic are technically right, but since you think you deserve the punishment, you are stuck. If you manage to get away from that negative thinking, you’ve done the biggest part of getting out of depression, and from there it is easier to do the rest without the destructive self esteem.

    He should’ve used more words.








  • Szyler@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzHoney
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    25 days ago

    I agree with your arguments. We’re on the same side of all of this.

    I disagree on having to remove one if both are bad. It would be like the trolley problem. 10 people suffer repeatedly indefinitely vs infinitely many suffering eventually. Moving all use to sugar cane will be worse for the environment than spreading some honey and some sugar cane. See my previous monocultulturalism point.

    Personally I think honey vs sugar cane is equal, so for me the choice is bad either way. I don’t know which is worse, I try to use less, but what I use I feel is ambivalent, so I use both.


  • Szyler@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzHoney
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    26 days ago

    I am not vegan, but simply trying to understand how honey is bad, but as you say “unavoidable collateral damage of agriculture” or not.

    There are many ways agriculture could be less harm, less pesticides, less monotone growing practices, more spread out growing. We do not have to accept these practices to not starve.

    I don’t think honey collecting is worse than agriculture (even of direct plants for human consumption), so I don’t think vegans should discount honey.


  • Szyler@lemmy.worldtoScience Memes@mander.xyzHoney
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    26 days ago

    Do you avoid all sugar products, or just honey?

    Sugar growing also kills animals. You cannot avoid all harm, so why discount honey for the harm you know, but not discounting harm from growing sugar?

    Reducing harm, sure, but it seems selective to discount honey for small amount of harm, when other things you (assumed) eat do equal (potentially unknown to you) harm.

    Do you need to know every process of growing/transporting something to eat it? Or does you list of edible products shrink as you learn every new form of harm?