As someone who switches between Xbox and switch pro controllers, the struggle is real. And I’ve been playing video games my whole life.
Yeah I really don’t understand why the hell they have to make it so different. Why do they need to distinguish themselves in this way? All it does is fuck up our gaming experience.
I think one of the early game systems got a trademark or patent or something for the button configuration. Iirc it was the SNES, but that could also just have been some adolescent bullshit kids told each other on the playground.
I used to call it the Zelda machine, but now that factorio is on Switch, I guess that isnt quite true any more.
I go between PS4 and a switch pro control often, and it’s not that they all use the letters / symbols for different buttons, it’s that Xbox and Sony agree what button position is used for what as default, enter, back, etc.
Nintendo breaks that symmetry, and put the enter button on A, so when I go to watch a movie on playstation I’m constantly exiting the menu because that position is O, the back button for Playstation.
Factorio is crazy optimized, but how well does it run on the Switch? It’s such an underpowered machine. I’m sure it’s fine early on, but massive factories can get slow even on the best PCs.
I’ve never played it on anything else so it’s hard to judge.
Only got it a month ago, and have only beaten the basic game once so far, though I’ve made what feel to me giant bases.
Haven’t noticed any slow down aside from when autosave is happening. Haven’t made the kind of monstrosities I’ve seen on youtube so I don’t know where the limits are.
As someone who has wanted to play it for ages I’m having a great time with it.
Reminds me of Kerbal Space Program on PS4, the controls are very complex for a controller, but they did a great job using multiple button shift functions to map a hell of a lot to the inputs available.
I forgot to get back to you. Two days later is better than never I guess.
There’s hidden settings in Factorio if you hold down ctrl+alt while clicking the settings button in the menu. There will be a box called “The Rest” which contains more settings. One of these is for non-blocking saves on Linux/Mac at least. It allows your game to save without freezing. I have no idea if it works on the Switch or how you’d get to it without a keyboard, but I think there’s a way. I know it doesn’t work on Windows, but no one ever mentions the Switch, only that it work on Linux and Mac and not Windows.
Factorio runs great on my 2009 Windows 7 machine on a Phenom II. I’d think the switch can handle. But then Mario Cart 8 also runs fine in Dolphin on that old clunker.
Switch and PS3 here. It’s just as difficult. Especially since the buttons for “proceed” and “return” in menu functions are reversed.
I get to where I remember it as “up” or “right” rather than X or square or whatever.
Is it just me or has someone gone through and down voted every single comment in here?
Edit: actually every Lemmy world post is showing all comments as having 0 points. Interesting.
There’s either a core contingent of professional haters, or there’s a single simple smarter-than-the-average Lemmy admin bot doing the downvoting, because I swear to god every post that’s on this site for more than a few hours gets at least one downvote.
Yeah everyone is just set to zero, no matter how innocuous the comment. So a bot makes sense
I can’t remember which game it was (something on the Switch, so maybe a Nintendo game) where the game itself told you which button to press by showing four circles on screen (e.g. next to the speech bubble) and only one of these circles is filled out, so instead of a letter, you know you have to press the right button or whatever… I really like this design choice because it’s so intuitive
Legend of Zelda?
Oh god, I want to experience this game for the first time again.
I got back into video games again during lockdowns and after leaving a very soul-crushing relationship. It was probably the perfect time in my life to experience BotW.
Have you ever played Shadow of the Collosus? If not, I think it’ll give a lot of the same vibes that you’re looking for.
Oh yes, I love Shadow of the Collosus and Ico! Played them as a child, and played Collosus during lockdowns as well. It really can use a control update, but otherwise the game holds up really well!
How would one go about playing it if they don’t have an Nintendo console?
You’ll have to pirate it, then use the Ryujinx emulator.
Or you can use CEMU to use the Wii U version of the game.
Ah cool thanks, with some news articles recently I wasn’t sure if there were still emulators available.
Yuzu got shit down but Ryujinx is still here
edit: I’m keeping the typo
You could probably still find a fork of yuzu, if that’s what you want.
Buy a switch?
I don’t spend a lot of time gaming. It would almost certainly be buying it to play just this game.
Also Nintendo are kind of ducks, so I don’t really want to give them any money.
You could buy a used Switch and install a modchip to play pirated games.
But yeah, not really worth it if you only want to play 1 specific game and already have a pc powerful enough for emulating it
You can also buy one of the older switch consoles from 2018 which are not patched and you can inject a payload via rcm mode.
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Playing games on pc and getting xbox button hints while using a Playstation or Nintendo controller is a special kind of frustrating. Like anything else, you get used to it, but I think I would like the position based hints you describe a lot better.
Just remap the controller so the letters correspond to the right spot on the controller
PlayStation uses different icons though.
Fair enough, forgot PlayStation was like that!
Then thé controls become unintuitive. Press the button on the right to jump? Ludicrous.
Depends on the system and what you’re used to. I use an Xbox controller for dolphin and the first thing I did was unfuck the right joystick and map the GameCube ABXY onto the xbox’s corresponding buttons. For PlayStation I’d imagine you’d just map it to the buttons that are normally for specific actions. Eg X to jump instead of A on other controllers
I play some Nintendo games on my Steam Deck, and the only thing I have to rewire my brain around is navigating menus (confirm with B). I wouldn’t want to remap the buttons though, because then the in-game actions would feel unnatural.
Most Nintendo Switch games do this. I think part of why is you might be using a pair of Joy-cons or a Nintendo brand controller with the Nintendo ABXY layout, 3rd party controller with the Xbox ABXY layout, a sideways joycon with ABXY buttons but rotated 90 degrees including the labels, or a sideways joycon with unlabeled buttons.
There’s no way for the game to consistently the way your controller is labeled, but it can know which of the 4 buttons needs to be pressed based on location.
I think it’s all the Switch games, or most of them. It’s part of the system font. It’s at least any game that can be played with a single joy-con because the traditional layout doesn’t match the labels in that configuration.
Nintendo is generally good at this part of design. Back in the GameCube days, all the buttons were different shapes, sizes and were easy to tell apart by feel, so they just used icons of the buttons. In the N64 days, X, Y and Z were all triggers in different positions, and the C buttons had arrows on them so you could tell by the icon which was which.
The “by feel” of Nintendo buttons started on the SNES. X/Y were convex, A/B were concave.
when I was learning to play poker we had the various hand rankings printed up on each wall so you could just look up to see the order.
This led to an amusing meta where you would see your opponent look at their hand, squint up at the wall and then raise and you knew you were hosed. This then led to bluff glancing at the walls before betting.
This then led to bluff glancing at the walls before betting.
God, I love it when things like this start to develop when playing games with friends. Especially when it’s a newer player, or maybe even the quiet person that starts doing it - the first time you catch on to someone pulling a trick like this is the best possible feeling of, “you son of a bitch!”
Leans over to neighbor, “hey I don’t think Tommy is very bright, he keeps looking up at the cheat sheet for a pair every time”
“You think that’s bad? We’re not playing poker!”
I mean “Go fish”.
The printed card is just an eye test as well
As someone who mostly uses an xbox controller and occasionally uses a switch, I could use this too.
Between PlayStation, Xbox, Nintendo and Nintendo again with the Gamecube, the X has been in all 4 cardinal positions.
Man, why did they not keep the Gamecube layout? That would help with memorizing, too, if the buttons actually felt different…
There needs to be Mavis Beacon for consoles.
A name I haven’t heard in a long time
Same. My parents got me the software when I was a kid, but I never used it much. Then near the end of high school I switched to Dvorak and never looked back.
Mavis Beacon doesn’t even type 90
That’s because she was never a real person.
anytime I switch systems it takes too long to remember the 4 right thumb buttons
I stopped playing totk partially because I kept hitting the wrong buttons. But the Switch has a way to remap them so I used that and it was still confusing somehow lmao
I did not know you could remap switch, may have to try that
I got so sick of getting confused switching layouts that I went and got GameCube layout joycons for my switch. I really liked the wavebird controllers.
Dude, I use a switch controller on my PC so I feel ya.
The analog sticks are literally impossible to start drifting. https://gulikit.com/productinfo/925509.html
First thing I did on my steam deck was to change it to Nintendo layout haha
Fr. That switch one pisses me off. I always press the button from Xbox instinctually.
Other way around for me. I was trained to use the Nintendo layout in 1991 and the Xbox one still annoys me since it’s what PC games usually use.
Yeah I never had Super Nintendo, had NES, 64, then switch, so by the time that button layout hit me, I was already used to Xbox. I also hate PlayStation as well. Shapes? What are we toddlers?
My girlfriend has gotten mad about this in the past. I’m like hold the run button then press the jump button. She would get angry and tell me to say which buttons those are. I would really have to think about it, when playing a game I associate a button with the function and forget which button is what.
Even that gets switched around sometimes. I hate it when games use the bottom button for run/attack and the right one for jump.
What button is it?!
I don’t know hold on! Pretends controller is in hand. Presses thumb hmmm left and down. Okay what console is this? Square and x? X and A? Whatever the hell Nintendo is?
Left and down buttons!
It doesn’t work!
Figure it out!
You must be trolling her the buttons are swapped!
No they’re not. The Nintendo button layout has A/B and X/Y swapped from the Xbox one, and she’s clearly playing Super Mario Oddysey
Fun fact: XBOX, Playstation and Switch all have an “X” button. And it’s in a different position for each of them.
We realize that but the buttons are still wrong. Nintendo is wrong.
And they’ve been wrong for a long time.
Sony is actually also wrong. The OK button is the circle on the right. The Cancel button is the X at the bottom. In western games we just have the buttons swapped over. What’s on them no longer makes any sense, but we’re happy as long as the main button is OK.
This probably goes back to Japanese being written right to left in the dim and distant past.
Well yk Nintendo was first with the x & y position, but Sega did x & y reversed to keep the alphabet order I assume (so a,b,c on the bottom and x,y,z on top row for the Sega Saturn controller) and then xbox copied the Dreamcast controller (i say copied but there might have been some sort of cooperation between the two ??). The rest is history.
Really it’s annoying to switch between the different layouts for sure, but Nintendo has just kept to their standards set since they did the SNES
Nintendo had already been using that layout for 11 years when the Xbox was released.
I don’t even remember the last time I played Xbox, and I definitely spend majority of my time on Nintendo, but I still see Y as on top and A on bottom lol
Because it is objectively correct
I don’t have this issue with playing PS and Nintendo games because PS wasn’t dickish enough to use ABXY in different positions like Microsoft. Everyone jokes about X being in all 3 layouts, but the PS one is actually called “cross” and doesn’t look like an X from a font, so I don’t get them mixed up.
ngl I need that
I need one of these when I’m playing switch too.
But switch highlights the button needed instead of showing a letter
Yeah, first party Nintendo games show the 4-button diagram with the button highlighted instead of a letter. This post really feels like karma farming.
Which is odd, because Lemmy doesn’t even have karma.
It’s funny how the knee-jerk reaction is always “clickbait! karma whoring!” when there’s no benefit whatsoever to that on Lemmy. No, the person just wants you to look at the thing they posted and gets nothing out of it other than maybe satisfaction. What a concept!
This is genius. I’m going to copy it
Was thinking the same thing. Suck it, stupid quick time events!
Holy fuck I’m not the only one. My partner and I watched The Last of Us and I wanted to play the game. He had it on his ps4, which I have never played. I made myself the same thing with the dumb ass square, circle, triangle, dodecahedron layout on the PS controller. He laughed at me too :C
dodecahedron
Dodecahedron? Don’t PS controllers use Square, Circle, Triangle, and X?
To be fair, the commenter to whom you’re responding might have been engaging in hyperbole.
Maybe not. Just a theory. (But I was similarly confused)
They learned on the MadCatz
Just to make controller layouts more confusing:
The PlayStation buttons were designed as:
⭕ = YES ❌ = NO
But Notth American gamers were used to these options being in the other position so the function the buttons were designed for is backwards on a lot of games.
Where did they get used to them being in the opposite position? Nintendo was using down button for no and right button for yes on the SNES, and Xbox wasn’t around yet.
Ho do you confuse an X for a dodecahedron?
I’ll never get over Nintendo’s decision to not have the button letters alphabetical like Xbox controllers do (or even just use shapes like Sony). Whenever I play on my Switch, the Y X buttons almost always throws me off, heh. I know Nintendo is Japanese and they tend to write from right to left, so I’m guessing that’s how it ended up like that initially.
Edit:
Since a lot of folks are asking how they’re alphabetical, I simply mean A comes before B and X before Y. I’m not saying they’re alphabetical entirely (since if you read all of them clockwise/counterclockwise then it obviously doesn’t make sense), just on their own individual “lines,” e.g. X and Y are on their own “line,” as well as A and B. It’s not entirely logical when you think about it, but that’s just how I and a number of others think about it. It’s a subjective thing, I suppose.
to be fair, nintendo set that standard before both microsoft and sony were even in the console gaming space.
I’m repulsed by this and I’m not sure why.
