• Chespirito@lemmy.world
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    Sadly the maga ones are incapable of self reflection. They’ll just say that the “fake news” is lying about him because the democrats control the media and every other facet of their lives

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      I just had one of my coworkers earlier today tell me that Tim Walz legalized abortion in MN up to 1 day after birth. We live in MN. These people are so fucking brainwashed that they’ve lost all touch of reality.

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      What’s with this defeatist shit?

      It’s not impossible to show people they’re in the wrong. Often, I’d argue even for most, it’s just a matter of time and the individual being exposed to direct consequences.

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        I’m a little confused by your reply? I’m not saying all republicans are bad, I’m strictly talking about maga republicans. They refuse to acknowledge facts and label them as fake news the minute it conflicts with their world view. I’ve tried having discussions with maga on Reddit and it would always dissolve into “that’s fake news! They’re trying to paint Trump in a bad light!”. The last one I talked to was u/illidari_extremist (he’s also a raging racist who blames black people for his life) and when I presented him with video evidence of Trump saying he would date a 10 year old in 10 years he ended up calling it a fake video and blocked me.

        You can try to talk to them but I’m done. I’d rather put my time and effort into talking with people who are not in a cult or have a cult mentality.

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          I’ll sometimes still engage that kind of idiot. It’s not about convincing them they are wrong, but having the contradictory evidence directly alongside their crazy claims. Someone else that’s been living under a rock for the past… decade (fucking hell) might not be sucked in by the crazy.

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          And you know, it’s valid if you wanna switch course.

          I think it’s alright to take breaks but that ideology of “I give up with these people” can be addictive for some and I just wanted to make the contrary view available for people to see too.

          Education is ultimately key. You can use their tactics against them too sometimes. Don’t forget maga morons do botnets and stuff too. There’s lots of ways to combat the fascist!

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        One thing to remember is a lot of these people would need literal cult deprogramming, which while possible, is not likely in their cases because… who’s going to do it? Why would they bother to sit through it?

        This would be ‘intervention’ levels of requirement, so there are some people who are, for all practical purposes, out of reach.

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          I totally agree. I don’t think adults should be without education programs if I’m being honest. Businesses usually prefer cert programs which require continuing education to prove historical and continual knowledge, why not do this with adults? I think the media could easily do this if they were somehow incentivized to broadcast more educational material in a relatable way to adults.

          Knowledge it power, why are we stopping/hindering adults from continually growing? I see 4 day work weeks work so well elsewhere - that’s another thing. Idk man, the planets burning too… we have so many problems facing us ahead I just wanna make sure I can do what I can

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        It’s different for everyone, but some people will only admit they’re wrong to compassionate people.

        People will fight their enemies, but they’re willing to let their guard down among friends.

        I think that’s one of the reasons why MLK Jr got killed. His enemies didn’t know how to fight him or his beliefs. He forced people to view each other as humans and that’s a tough pill to swallow for people who don’t have a capacity to give or ask for forgiveness.

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          I don’t think we have to tolerate those people though either.

          It’s called the paradox of intolerance and was pretty simply solved:

          Tolerance is a contract. If someone isn’t participating, you do not have to participate with them.

          In fact, I think that being tolerant to the intolerant is akin to being complicit. Who would want to tolerate people who are disrespecting your established cultural norms of freedom and tolerance??

          Disrespectful + anti American + dated + impedes progress

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      This is very apparent if you go on a YouTube news comment section. It’s basically all salty conservatives lmao. They’re in panic mode

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        I might not be getting it, but why does a theme of trees/nature specifically counter the MAGA hat like that?

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          Because the right has co-opted the camo look as well as hunting. Tim Walz is was literally the best shot in congress.

          Edit: clarity for past and present so people don’t misunderstand

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              Who was in Congress when the shooting contest I’m talking about happened.

              What’s wrong with you? Do you think he just fell out of the coconut tree? He exists in the context of all that came before his current position.

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                Nothing’s wrong with me, your statement implied currently. He is not currently in congress and that contest took place in 2015. Use clearer language if you don’t want people to correct you.

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                  He still is the best shot in congress. Even if he isn’t current in Congress, he can still presently be the current best shot of any current or former Congress person.

                  Pedantry sure is fun.

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          The camo thing is a reference to the real mid west. Mid westerners were known for being polite, rugged, and minding their own business, while having that small-town sense of being neighborly. Then the GOP spent years co-opting that small-town blue-collar message with their hate mongering, vitriol, anti-American message and a pro-corporation agenda. The real mid west are people that are more in line with Walz than they are with Trump. People that want to respect individual freedoms and elect officials that support blue collar workers, real American patriotism, and doing right by the American people instead of corporations or billionaire criminals.

          The camo thing with Walz is about reclaiming blue-collar mid-west American pride. People that are sick of a NY trust-fund baby that lives in a golden skyscraper telling them he is their voice, when people like Walz are literally mid western blue collar representation from someone that served in the armed forces, worked as a teacher, and has cemented his place in politics by earning the respect of his constituents. Walz stands for real support of the troops, responsible gun ownership, worker rights, supporting American communities, freedom, and minding your own business. The people that are into camo hats should be into Walz, not that MAGA bullshit.

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    MAGA here. At least we didn’t have to pretend for 4 years that Biden was Sharp As A Tack™. Then, as if right on cue, pretend Kamala wasn’t the most unpopular candidate in your own primary.

    But go ahead, keep huffing your own farts.