Democrats are quite convinced they are the most radical and pragmatic political force on earth, being reluctant followers of Placeholder Hitler pitted against More Racist Hitler in the general election (the only election in 𝕌𝕊𝕠𝕟𝕚𝕒 and therefore the only legitimate election on the American continents, Canadia is a 𝕌𝕊𝕠𝕟𝕚𝕒𝕟 state no further questions thank you, thank you). It’s a shame they are all legally required to vote for a Hitler, but the law says for everyone who doesn’t vote for a Hitler they will throw an undocumented child into a fetid ravine where a half-dead river struggles to flow leaving them for the coyotes.
She is literally a rebrand of Biden, would you call what is happening in Palestine and Lebanon ethnic cleansing? I don’t feel like debating nonexistent changes to the same political platform of lebensraum
I would call what’s happening in Palestine beyond Biden’s meaningful control.
He can cease arms shipments to Israel, but not without losing the election by angering the Jewish voters, and then Trump will nuke Gaza and build one of his high-rises on the rubble. That would solve nothing.
Take it up with Netanyahu and his Israeli supporters. They’re the ones who decided to bomb the hell out of Gaza, not Biden.
BTW, Lebensraum involved taking people’s houses, not blowing them up.
He can cease arms shipments to Israel, but not without losing the election by angering the Jewish voters
This is a good point I shockingly hadn’t thought about until now, but, true, biden could stop sending weapons, and then harris could decide to still stand as though she supports israel in order to minimize any viable hit to her polls, since he’s the one in power but he’s not actually running for re-election.
But also, what jewish voters? What, single issue, jewish voters, exist in a valuable swing state, that aren’t already voting for republicans? You could maybe put up nevada or arizona, where they make up 2.6% and 1.7% of the state’s population, but you have to weight that against michigan, where muslim voters make up 2.4% of the population. I think wisconsin also has a larger percentage of muslim voters than jewish voters, as well.
I’ve also seen a couple polls that suggest that jews have about as favorable a view of israel as the average american, I’m not even really sure that they’re a specific demographic to point out. Orthodox and conservative jews, maybe.
There’s another handful of calculations you can make there, but that also doesn’t really factor in that by far the largest cohort which is going to be voters on supporting israel is probably evangelical christians, which are also obviously going to be a huge piece of the republican base, and that’s not something you’re going to strip away by outflanking them, like democrats are currently also trying to do with the border. The main democratic base, though, is going to be a myriad of different people, since they tend to be more popular overall, more popular in ethnically diverse cities, whatever, and it’s definitely going to be very alienating to the base to decide to keep pumping weapons into israel, take a harder stance on the border, and provide no real tangible economic policy to improve people’s lives.
Not to mention, none of these electioneering calculations, over less than 3% of the population, in very particular states, really means that it’s a good decision ethically, economically, geopolitically, to not pull back on the reigns of the rabid dog we’ve had plopped down in the middle east. Mostly to protect an insanely stupid global trade port that we’re using to help ship chinese goods to europe, and maybe also using to train a couple cops we can deploy to shoot fare evaders and also like 3 other people.
Everyone loves to play at an election journalist and say, ah, well, this just a strategic move that exists for some other theoretical person that exists, it’s not really for me. They never actually defend the policy on it’s own merits. Then, consistently ignore the same thing happening, repetitively, for like 30 years, since that electioneering shit was really coined as a strategic rhetorical move afaik. The country shifting rightward, that’s not just some sort of like, crazy coincidence, and it’s not something that’s due to random chance events that happened to screw the democrats over and force them to consistently slide to the right for the last, well, last 80 years, at this point. It’s because the like 30% of hardline voters are willing to parrot the same swill they’re given, and are totally willing to slide as right as is necessary and follow the dems off a cliff, it’s because the american population at large is captured by a huge corporate propaganda apparatus that the democrats are not willing to do anything about, it’s because the american population is swamped by a nosedive in standards of living and a shrinking middle class and are looking for an easy scapegoat.
At any point, dems could’ve pointed out that illegal immigrants are, in total, fucking 3% of the population.
They don’t, because they don’t really care, because it’s the institutional security stance that we should be more xenophobic to shore up against climate refugees.
Me? I’m not a swing state voter, so I’m just gonna vote for whichever third party candidate is a valid write-in and also maybe seems like they’ll get enough to get federal funding, if that exists, and otherwise I’ll just vote for claudia de la cruz.
That got me winded since I’m on my phone, I forgot to mention the nuke thing. What is stopping Israel from nuking Palestine is a trifecta of linked issues
expending its deterrence versus Iran
counterattack which could flatten Israel is possible without nukes, and has been saved up already (this is not a joke)
counterattacks against US oil interests in the region
It’s not about the unlimited might of the US being held back by goodwill. There are very real limitations, the Pentagon planned on doing what it’s being forced to do with Iran to China. Plans are scaling down all the time.
By the way the 170,000 pounds figure was from what they dropped on a single city block.
Dude your worldview is completely based on news headlines and dem memes I don’t have time for this. Consider this a brief overview of stuff to consider and maybe redirect your energy to something better than saving the reputation of the dems, which they certainly will not help you with.
The talking point that Trump is more Hitlerian due to being a threat to the institutions of bourgeois democracy is more credible than the “harm reduction to domestic minorities and global south countries”, but fortunately most people aren’t goofy enough to think that it matters if yet another president oversteps legal boundaries. Fascists rising only had to get rid of bourgeois democracy because power was not secure. Zero institutions in US democracy hinder fascists. The democrats refuse to undo conservative power grabs out of false pragmatism as they already got what they wanted, power within the system over their lessers. Like you view me, like a rube who needs a scolding.
Biden’s branding of Reluctant Hitler has been slapped on the most lenience Israel has ever been given. Harris has also been clear that nobody will stop Israel from dropping 170,000 pounds (multiple Hiroshimas) of US bombs on Palestine and Lebanon.
Biden has been even more extreme on border issues than Trump 1, and Trump 2 will be even more extreme than Biden.
They are both worse than Hitler in their own way because they run a well-oiled empire not a cannibalistic aberration. Our cannibalism of Europe is financial, not via real land grabs.
Please consider how much more there is to our lives than the general election. This is an opportunity to talk to people about what is being omitted from both party’s platforms.
Anyways Jill Stein for the general or fuck you find me a candidate that isn’t Hitler.
Personally I think the degrowth politics of US greens is too close to NGO nonsense but at least it is actually against the genocide. Wouldn’t be surprised if they turn around and demand poor countries denuclearize. Would not be surprised if she began talking about the evils of ROSATOM sending nuclear tech to Africa.
Then again, the US nuclear industry is famously wasteful and dangerous, so it could simply be a reaction to that, along with it maintaining our arsenal.
It’s not just angry candor against the US. People have pointed out fascist characteristics of the US government, historically, since at least 1952. Not a new theory at all.
Nope, I am responding to you saying that calling Harris Hitleresque is laughable.
Since 1952 very fine books were already being published examining how the USA funded fascism abroad, and what it looked like when securely in power rather than vying for dominance before collapsing.
Democrats are quite convinced they are the most radical and pragmatic political force on earth, being reluctant followers of Placeholder Hitler pitted against More Racist Hitler in the general election (the only election in 𝕌𝕊𝕠𝕟𝕚𝕒 and therefore the only legitimate election on the American continents, Canadia is a 𝕌𝕊𝕠𝕟𝕚𝕒𝕟 state no further questions thank you, thank you). It’s a shame they are all legally required to vote for a Hitler, but the law says for everyone who doesn’t vote for a Hitler they will throw an undocumented child into a fetid ravine where a half-dead river struggles to flow leaving them for the coyotes.
I don’t remember Harris openly advocating ethnic cleansing. If you’re going to say she’s equivalent to Hitler, I expect you to bring receipts.
She is literally a rebrand of Biden, would you call what is happening in Palestine and Lebanon ethnic cleansing? I don’t feel like debating nonexistent changes to the same political platform of lebensraum
I would call what’s happening in Palestine beyond Biden’s meaningful control.
He can cease arms shipments to Israel, but not without losing the election by angering the Jewish voters, and then Trump will nuke Gaza and build one of his high-rises on the rubble. That would solve nothing.
Take it up with Netanyahu and his Israeli supporters. They’re the ones who decided to bomb the hell out of Gaza, not Biden.
BTW, Lebensraum involved taking people’s houses, not blowing them up.
This is a good point I shockingly hadn’t thought about until now, but, true, biden could stop sending weapons, and then harris could decide to still stand as though she supports israel in order to minimize any viable hit to her polls, since he’s the one in power but he’s not actually running for re-election. But also, what jewish voters? What, single issue, jewish voters, exist in a valuable swing state, that aren’t already voting for republicans? You could maybe put up nevada or arizona, where they make up 2.6% and 1.7% of the state’s population, but you have to weight that against michigan, where muslim voters make up 2.4% of the population. I think wisconsin also has a larger percentage of muslim voters than jewish voters, as well. I’ve also seen a couple polls that suggest that jews have about as favorable a view of israel as the average american, I’m not even really sure that they’re a specific demographic to point out. Orthodox and conservative jews, maybe. There’s another handful of calculations you can make there, but that also doesn’t really factor in that by far the largest cohort which is going to be voters on supporting israel is probably evangelical christians, which are also obviously going to be a huge piece of the republican base, and that’s not something you’re going to strip away by outflanking them, like democrats are currently also trying to do with the border. The main democratic base, though, is going to be a myriad of different people, since they tend to be more popular overall, more popular in ethnically diverse cities, whatever, and it’s definitely going to be very alienating to the base to decide to keep pumping weapons into israel, take a harder stance on the border, and provide no real tangible economic policy to improve people’s lives.
Not to mention, none of these electioneering calculations, over less than 3% of the population, in very particular states, really means that it’s a good decision ethically, economically, geopolitically, to not pull back on the reigns of the rabid dog we’ve had plopped down in the middle east. Mostly to protect an insanely stupid global trade port that we’re using to help ship chinese goods to europe, and maybe also using to train a couple cops we can deploy to shoot fare evaders and also like 3 other people. Everyone loves to play at an election journalist and say, ah, well, this just a strategic move that exists for some other theoretical person that exists, it’s not really for me. They never actually defend the policy on it’s own merits. Then, consistently ignore the same thing happening, repetitively, for like 30 years, since that electioneering shit was really coined as a strategic rhetorical move afaik. The country shifting rightward, that’s not just some sort of like, crazy coincidence, and it’s not something that’s due to random chance events that happened to screw the democrats over and force them to consistently slide to the right for the last, well, last 80 years, at this point. It’s because the like 30% of hardline voters are willing to parrot the same swill they’re given, and are totally willing to slide as right as is necessary and follow the dems off a cliff, it’s because the american population at large is captured by a huge corporate propaganda apparatus that the democrats are not willing to do anything about, it’s because the american population is swamped by a nosedive in standards of living and a shrinking middle class and are looking for an easy scapegoat. At any point, dems could’ve pointed out that illegal immigrants are, in total, fucking 3% of the population. They don’t, because they don’t really care, because it’s the institutional security stance that we should be more xenophobic to shore up against climate refugees.
Me? I’m not a swing state voter, so I’m just gonna vote for whichever third party candidate is a valid write-in and also maybe seems like they’ll get enough to get federal funding, if that exists, and otherwise I’ll just vote for claudia de la cruz.
That got me winded since I’m on my phone, I forgot to mention the nuke thing. What is stopping Israel from nuking Palestine is a trifecta of linked issues
expending its deterrence versus Iran
counterattack which could flatten Israel is possible without nukes, and has been saved up already (this is not a joke)
counterattacks against US oil interests in the region
It’s not about the unlimited might of the US being held back by goodwill. There are very real limitations, the Pentagon planned on doing what it’s being forced to do with Iran to China. Plans are scaling down all the time.
By the way the 170,000 pounds figure was from what they dropped on a single city block.
Dude your worldview is completely based on news headlines and dem memes I don’t have time for this. Consider this a brief overview of stuff to consider and maybe redirect your energy to something better than saving the reputation of the dems, which they certainly will not help you with.
The talking point that Trump is more Hitlerian due to being a threat to the institutions of bourgeois democracy is more credible than the “harm reduction to domestic minorities and global south countries”, but fortunately most people aren’t goofy enough to think that it matters if yet another president oversteps legal boundaries. Fascists rising only had to get rid of bourgeois democracy because power was not secure. Zero institutions in US democracy hinder fascists. The democrats refuse to undo conservative power grabs out of false pragmatism as they already got what they wanted, power within the system over their lessers. Like you view me, like a rube who needs a scolding.
Biden’s branding of Reluctant Hitler has been slapped on the most lenience Israel has ever been given. Harris has also been clear that nobody will stop Israel from dropping 170,000 pounds (multiple Hiroshimas) of US bombs on Palestine and Lebanon.
Biden has been even more extreme on border issues than Trump 1, and Trump 2 will be even more extreme than Biden.
They are both worse than Hitler in their own way because they run a well-oiled empire not a cannibalistic aberration. Our cannibalism of Europe is financial, not via real land grabs.
Please consider how much more there is to our lives than the general election. This is an opportunity to talk to people about what is being omitted from both party’s platforms.
Anyways Jill Stein for the general or fuck you find me a candidate that isn’t Hitler.
Ah Jill Stein, the russian asset. You’re a trumper?
LOL, funny, well she’s not perfect to me.
Personally I think the degrowth politics of US greens is too close to NGO nonsense but at least it is actually against the genocide. Wouldn’t be surprised if they turn around and demand poor countries denuclearize. Would not be surprised if she began talking about the evils of ROSATOM sending nuclear tech to Africa.
Then again, the US nuclear industry is famously wasteful and dangerous, so it could simply be a reaction to that, along with it maintaining our arsenal.
I’m sure that Gish gallop would make Vance proud, but you’ll have to do better than that if you want to fool me.
You’ll also need another account, because that one is blocked. Good day.
Hah, coward. You try to start a fight with me half asleep and you still lose.
And then blocks you. Coward indeed.
In which world Harris is even close to Hitler?
Jesus, some people here live in an alternative universe.
It’s not just angry candor against the US. People have pointed out fascist characteristics of the US government, historically, since at least 1952. Not a new theory at all.
I think you answered to the wrong comment…
Nope, I am responding to you saying that calling Harris Hitleresque is laughable.
Since 1952 very fine books were already being published examining how the USA funded fascism abroad, and what it looked like when securely in power rather than vying for dominance before collapsing.