• The Snark Urge@lemmy.world
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    21 days ago

    The problem is that a normal person can be talked into doing something not in their best interest. A narcissist could only ever be lured away to something bigger.

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        21 days ago

        That’s an interesting framing device you’ve got there; But yes, in the cases of antisocial personalities and narcissists. They have a markedly diminished capacity for empathy.

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            21 days ago

            “Having the capacity for free will” is not even remotely the same as “being capable of making completely disposessed choices in every single circumstance”. When considering one’s options, different people in different situations give different weights to different factors.

            Consider a person acting under the threat of being murdered if they don’t comply with some demand, like in an armed robbery. The fact that making certain choices, like refusing to cooperate, is in practice nearly impossible for them in this case has no bearing on whether or not they “have the capacity for free will” in a general sense. Likewise someone being manipulated by a person they fell in love with.

            In the same vein, a narcissist is strongly compelled by internal factors to act only in ways that gratify their overinflated ego. While it may conceivably not be 100% impossible for them to go against this compulsion, it is extremely unlikely that it will even occur to them to do so, and given that it does occur to them to do so, it is extremely unlikely that they will choose that course of action. They act in predictable ways for this reason. The weights they place on certain factors are consistently different from average. This is entirely unrelated to the question of “free will”.

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                21 days ago

                You made the original claim without citing any sources or even making a logical argument. I presented my reasoning. There is absolutely no reason for me to go to the trouble of citing sources when you made zero effort at all.

                Also, facts that are common knowledge and/or self-evident do not require sources unless specifically challenged, and everything I said is both of these things.

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                  21 days ago

                  Drag is gathering that your entire argument is based on rumours and that you haven’t done any research at all.

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                    20 days ago

                    Drag is incorrect. Furthermore, from looking at drag’s comment history, I gather that drag makes a habit of being confidently incorrect.

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              21 days ago

              Drag apologises if you don’t like free will debates. Drag will clarify that drag doesn’t have a non-determinist stance. Drag’s a compatibilist, and therefore thinks there’s no debate to be had over free will, and wishes everyone else would realise it too.

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                    20 days ago

                    Is your age that personal to you? You could have just lied and said you were an adult, lol. But now, it’s really extra clear you’re not and probably shouldn’t be on this site without supervision.